Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hello My Beautiful Creatures

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No evidence found of notability, the GamingTrend source is apparently the only time some source has given attention to this. Nothing in GNews, very little in regular Google[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Hello+My+Beautiful+Creatures%22+%22bernhagen%22&sca_esv=d251824d7abb23d1&rlz=1C1GCEB_enBE1103BE1103&source=lnms&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBkzPWUS0OtApxR2914vrjk6n5S3ke5CU8AuKZlKH1SXkmeHAnNhlwjgVQk6TulAmzW3lBIKu1BqVafGlfjjEmbUcd8RNb4MjE2C9uzB6xRkkQhJ8iT6Qxy7sFk0mQ1dNX0rBocmtvF2kxaWgBrMi7jHM0m4E_dfe02wjYikFPgAwi7sc8g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi3l_iqwJaMAxWUTKQEHdn5K5gQ0pQJegQIBxAD&biw=1536&bih=738&dpr=1.25]. Fram (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Comics and animation, and United States of America.

Was redirected[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hello_My_Beautiful_Creatures&oldid=1281106412], but article creator objects. Fram (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete and then redirect. The film is not independently notable outside of the YouTuber. Since there's a higher chance that there may be people coming in from the outside, I want to explain this:

:On Wikipedia notability is not inherited. This means that the film is not automatically notable because the YouTuber might pass notability guidelines. To establish notability per WP:NFILM you need to show where the movie has received coverage in independent, secondary sources that would be considered reliable per Wikipedia's guidelines. This last part is important, as not every source is considered reliable and usable per Wikipedia's guidelines. I searched, but wasn't able to find where this film has received the necessary coverage - most places that mention it are either routine database lists, self-published sites that wouldn't be considered reliable per Wikipedia guidelines, for something else entirely, or are junk hits (ie, site just mirrors your search term).

: It's extremely, extremely difficult to establish notability for things on Wikipedia, but especially for anything associated with YouTube. Things that establish popularity on there don't count towards notability on here (favorites, subscribes, likes, etc). Media outlets typically don't cover YouTubers and YouTube related topics unless they're extremely major. I've written an essay about how difficult it is to establish notability - for example, PewDiePie's article was deemed non-notable until just before he became the most subscribed person on YouTube. So if it's that difficult to establish notability for a person, it's far more difficult to establish notability for something a YouTuber created. It's not a knock against the YouTuber or YouTubers in general, just that YouTubers are typically ignored by media outlets and other RS until they're in the top 1% of the 1% of YouTube personalities. Even then it's more likely that they won't be covered.

: As for why I'm arguing for delete and then redirect, that's to prevent people from trying to recreate the article by removing the redirect. They still could try to create it, but I've found that deleting the article tends to be a bit of a deterrent. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::On a side note, per WP:VG/RS, Gaming Trend is not considered to be a reliable source on Wikipedia. It looks like it's probably been revamped since it was discussed back in 2019, so it might pass now - but would need some discussion at WP:VG to accomplish this. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:41, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, I recognize that notability on Wikipedia isn't inherited, I understand that most of Joel Havers films are not notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia page, however, I believe that the film 'Hello My Beautiful Creatures' is notable enough. You said that it was difficult for PewDiePie to be notable enough until he reached the achievement of being the most-subscribed YouTube channel. I believe that the film is notable enough for being the longest American animated film ever made, and the world's longest stop-motion film ever made. I personally believe that reaching those two milestones should be notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia page, however, if that doesn't fall under Wikipedia notability guidelines, I understand. ShamrockFrog64 (talk) 04:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:::The thing about claims is that they're easy to make and hard to prove. For example, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iu4UoHOslE this channel] claims that they made a stop-motion movie that is 11 hours long. I'm not saying that the YouTuber was doing it like this, but it's also very common for someone make a claim of being first or setting a world record as a marketing tool.

:::Another issue with claims is that you also have to show where the claim itself is notable. Just being the first to do something or setting a world record doesn't automatically make something notable. You need coverage in independent, reliable sources to not only back up the claims but also show where it's noteworthy. For example, something could be recorded by Guinness as a world record, but that doesn't mean that the event is notable per Wikipedia's guidelines. See these AfDs from 2013, 2017, and 2019 - notability guidelines have only gotten more strict since then so the point still stands that claiming to hold a record (or being recorded as holding it) is not something that will give total notability in and of itself.

:::I'm not trying to be mean or anything, just trying to explain where we're coming from with this. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Joel Haver: Had done so a couple of days ago. See history. -Mushy Yank. 19:05, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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