Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilal ibn Ali

:{{la|Hilal ibn Ali}} ([{{fullurl:Hilal ibn Ali|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilal ibn Ali}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Has no sources and fials WP:n Irunongames{{•}}play 00:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy keep - unlikely to be an auto-biog, if he is the son of Imam Ali and currently resides in a mausoleum. References and evidence of notability may yet appear: this article was AFD'd 3 minutes after it was created. Why so hasty? Per Ardua (talk) 00:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

:Woops, Didn't mean to add auto-biog. Also just because your a son of someone important doesn't mean you are notable. Also you have to remember that their are no sources at all. If they are to improve the article I think I would drop the AFD Irunongames{{•}}play 00:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. -- –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. —Per Ardua (talk) 00:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

• Keep The two given refernces are reliable and verifiable. Rirunmot (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC){{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilal ibn Ali||}}

• Weak delete At present none of this is reliable enough to go in wikipedia. The article calls his mother 'Umama' one of the two web refs calls his mother 'Ameneh' and the other of the two web references calls his mother 'Amamah' the article as written is largely OR and unless better references can be cited this cannot realy remain. Polargeo (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

:*Comment. I don't think that we should treat differences in transcription as evidence of unreliability. Remember that spelling of names even in their native alphabets was still inconsistent nearly a millennium after Hilal ibn Ali's mother's time (William Shakespeare used several different spellings of his own name), and transliteration between the Arabic and Roman alphabets is by no means consistent even today. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

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