Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hillsong Channel Now

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Not notable streaming service. Limited significant coverage in third party sources. Most of the article are lists of not notable programs breaching WP:NOTGUIDE and a list of devices numerous things can be streamed on. Topic could easily be managed in either Hillsong Church or Hillsong Channel -- Whats new?^(talk) 05:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep I want to note that I am the creator of the page, so I am obviously biased. I want to clearly list out my reasons for why I believe this page is worth keeping and why WP:NOTABILITY has been met.

Firstly, I have rectified the issue relating to WP:NOTGUIDE that User:Whats_new%3F has raised, the only programs that are listed now ones that are notable enough to have their own wikipedia pages that either form the content of the program, or are extremely directly related to the program. These are all notable as they all have their own wikipedia pages with much media coverage to achieve notability criteria. (I believeWP:IDONTKNOWIT comes into play here.)

Secondly, the wikipedia entry that I built was based on the format used for Stan_(company) a different VOD service in Australia, which formats the article in the same way with little complaints. Content, Programming, Supported Devices, See Also. This is still a short article, I do intend on continuing to work on it, as I did with Hillsong Channel.

Thirdly, I think this fits well into WP:OBSCURE. "When an article meets WP:N or any other guidelines for inclusion, the mere fact that its subject is obscure does not under any circumstances mean it should be deleted".

On the real topic, of meeting notability guidelines, the article links to two articles which are explicitly about Hillsong Channel service being available on personal devices being the path forward. These articles are by Hope_103.2 (FM/Digital Radio Broadcaster in NSW) and Phil Cooke (Media Consultant). Further articles about Hillsong Channel Now and Hillsong Channel will appear in the media as they have been for a while.

Christianity is a topic close to my heart, but I want to cover it as impartially as possible, I have recently started the proposed deletion process for Hillsong Conference 2006 for various reasons and specifically for its lack of notability. Cheers, Luke L32007 (talk) 15:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

:I appreciate your interest in the subject, but comparing this article with Stan is not a like-for-like comparison. Stan is far better sourced, is a stand alone service and has in-depth third party coverage, unlike this article. Your claim that the list of shows no longer breaches NOTGUIDE is also false - not one of them has an article. For example, the Hillsong Conference article is about the physical gathering, not a television program covering it. None of the others link to anything regarding a television show. To meet OBSCURE, an article first needs to meet notability. Linking to other Wikipedia articles does not establish notability. -- Whats new?^(talk) 23:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

::Stan was the structure that I used to create the article, the Streaming Service is more comparable to Hunter_TV which meets both WP:NOTABILITY and WP:OBSCURE. L32007 (talk) 09:51, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:::Notability needs to be established for this article, not compared to another. This streaming service is simply not notable. -- Whats new?^(talk) 09:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::I was merely comparing the two articles, both with 2 sources from media so far, both slightly obscure. L32007 (talk) 11:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• obvious merge into Hillsong Channel: I can't see how a streaming service of a broadcaster has an independent notability. Mangoe (talk) 21:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 01:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Whats new?^(talk) 01:52, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• Merge to Hillsong Channel, not notable independent of the programming. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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