Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard C. Reiche School

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A run-of-the-mill elementary school in the Portland Public Schools. Was suggested this be nominated from the AfD discussion over Howard C. Reiche. Bgwhite (talk) 02:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Bgwhite (talk) 02:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions. —Bgwhite (talk) 02:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Merge/redirect to West_End_(Portland,_Maine)#Education (unless a more specific target is available). Standard procedure for nn elementary schools. OSborn ^arf_contribs. 03:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC) Deferring to others. OSborn ^arf_contribs. 18:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
• 'Merge/redirect as suggested by Osborn. --MelanieN (talk) 03:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. There is a demonstrated history of sources which cover the school in-depth. For example, [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=ME&p_theme=me&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1057BCD972AE36B8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM `Failing' label leaves Reiche success behind] discusses the educational situation at the school. [http://www.multiculturalcenter.org/social_justice.cfm Howard C. Reiche Community School] discusses multiculturalism at the school and is an academic paper devoted entirely to the topic of the school.--TM 15:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete It's an elementary school with absolutely no standout differences or coverage beyond run of the mill school issues. I guess if there's somewhere especially fitting a bit of the info should be merged. I've revised my opinion and have explained it below.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:42, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Based on the [http://www.multiculturalcenter.org/social_justice.cfm Howard C. Reiche Community School] article found by TM. Only slight concern with this is that it was written by someone who taught at the school (though I think that was only for the purpose of writing the article). Ravendrop 20:46, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
• Weak keep. My first reaction was to merge to Portland Public Schools (Maine), but that graduate-student paper about the school provides a lot of solid information about the school, which is not exactly a run-of-the-mill school, given the population it serves. I've expanded the article a bit, based on that source. --Orlady (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC) Changed to "keep" after finding an architecture thesis about the school (I've added it to the article) and learning that the building also houses a public library, a community center, public swimming pool, gym, and community health clinic. That makes it a lot more important to the community than if it were only a school It also was a Blue Ribbon School in 1991-1992 -- it has been asserted in the past that Blue Ribbon Schools should be considered notable. --Orlady (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:Thank you for updating the article. I have a question. The information from the graduate-student paper is from 2004 when there was 500 students and most info in the wiki article is from 2004. Seven years later, there are 300 students. Would the time difference and change in enrollment make a difference on if to keep/delete the article? With the district and school web sites are so bad, sure wish we could glean more info from them. In the same neighborhood, there is a private school called Waynflete School.Bgwhite (talk) 00:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

::Notability is not temporary. If this school is notable based on independent coverage received in the past or accomplishments in the past, it's still notable. --Orlady (talk) 05:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment The article that's been mentioned a few times over at [http://www.multiculturalcenter.org/social_justice.cfm this page] certainly made me put a lot of thinking into this AfD. However, after a bit more studying I've kept the same conclusion of delete. Essentially, I held this social study (or social experiment) to the same standards I'd hold any scientific study. If an experiment or study in, say, biology takes place in a specific stream, for example, and the results of the study are very informative and notable, that does not change the notability of the stream. This study was conducted at the school, but, just as the stream is not made notable by the study taking place there, the school does not become notable either. Sorry if none of that makes sense, it's late and my computer keeps making clicks and moves that I don't want it to.--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

::I don't think that is how notability works at Wikipedia. If multiple, independent and non-trivial sources cover a subject, it is considered notable whether it is a small stream, an elementary school or New York City.--TM 15:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - Seeing that this AfD started due to discussion of an article about the school's presumptive namesake, I think it worthwhile to comment that it appears likely that the namesake was a longtime school principal in Portland. I don't know if he's the same person who was associated with the ski patrol, but I did find a national magazine article from 1952 that quoted Howard C. Reiche and identified him as the principal of a Portland high school. --Orlady (talk) 16:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

• Further supporting the fact that this school meets the WP:GNG, the article now cites 6 different sources independent from the school, the latest one being a book about public education in America. --Orlady (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep previous practice is that Blue Ribbon schools are notable DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Isn't any school, even a one-room one from 1900, "notable"? Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

:*Actually, Billy, there are a lot of schools that are not notable. Many schools lack the evidence of notability that is needed to satisfy the Wikipedia notability guidelines. It's unusual for an elementary school to have received as much attention as this one has. --Orlady (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep I've struck out my delete vote above. This article has undergone a substantial improvement since its nomination, and I'd like to commend Orlady for this cleanup.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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