Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hummer (band)

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Full disclosure: I'm the original creator here, a decade ago when our sourcing and notability standards were very different than they are now -- and they were a minor enough band that I had since entirely forgotten that they and this even existed. Under contemporary standards, however, nothing here passes WP:NMUSIC at all and they can't be reliably sourced over WP:GNG. This was prodded the other day, which I agreed with, but was then deprodded by another editor with the rationale that merging it was preferable to deleting it -- but the problem is that this was a transitional one-off project that sits at the nexus of five different acts with greater notability than this one had, making it impossible to determine where a redirect should point. The involved articles can all just link directly to each other, without needing this to stand alone as a separate article if "crosslinking other notable acts" is really the only notability claim that can be made. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

• Merge. The Allmusic bio is sufficient for sourcing basic facts about the band, and it was significant enough to be covered somewhere in articles about McKinnon and Poirier's bands. Dig Circus or FemBots are probably the best merge targets, but the whole set of related articles could really do with looking at to see which can be sourced properly and which should be merged elsewhere. --Michig (talk) 16:29, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

::I've already merged Dig Circus into FemBots, because they had no real notability or sourceability in their own right for anything much stronger than having members who went on to greater notability with another band later on (FemBots need referencing improvement too, but their notability and sourceability are stronger than DC's or Hummer's, and the article just needs to be updated to bring it back into line with Wikipedia's contemporary standards.) What I don't see is how FemBots could possibly take precedence over Ron Hawkins as a redirect target for this. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

:::Why not? FemBots included the band's vocalist and guitarist, according to Allmusic. --Michig (talk) 17:05, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

::::Why would the vocalist and guitarist trump the most independently notable and (semi-)famous member? Even under the horribly loose NMUSIC standards of the mid-naughties, Hawkins was the main reason this band was ever actually a valid article topic (as he's the only one of the three who actually has his own independent notability, separately from any of his bands, as a valid topic for a standalone BLP.) And the fact that there are two different, otherwise unrelated article topics with competing claims of precedence for the purposes of a redirect is exactly the problem here. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 22:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

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