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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huron County Library

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

=[[Huron County Library]]=

:{{la|Huron County Library}} – (View AfDView log)

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Not notable. Doesn't pass the general notability guideline for such articles written about libraries, nor does it go beyond any other run-of-the-mill libraries scattered around, and also called "Huron County Library". There is some information about the librarian "Miss A. Rose Aitken", but that would warrant an article about her, not the library itself. User:TeleComNasSprVenNaSpUser:TCNSV/PMD 06:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete as this is utterly unnotable. 06:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsuper (talk • contribs)
  • Delete not notable --Guerillero | My Talk 15:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Weak keep there is no clear guideline for libraries. I'm relatively exclusionist on local institutions, and I've often !voted delete on local libraries. I think a reasonable consensus would be that individual branches are certainly not notable, but county systems are, at least in larger counties, (this one is 60,000) on the same principle that school districts are. DGG ( talk ) 16:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I would also say a weak keep on this. I personally think articles on county libraries are certainly no less notable than articles we have on local schools on wikipedia and more notable in my view... Google books does reveal 147 different sources mention this so adding sources is possible. I agree with DGG though that there really ought to be guidelines on this. Providing this article is expanded and sourced decently i'm content to keep it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  • On the contrary, some of them might be about a different "Huron County Library". Like I said above, what distinguishes this Ontario, Canada one from the others? User:TeleComNasSprVenNaSpUser:TCNSV/PMD 00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep per the user above. I think library systems being handled similar to school systems is a fair way to treat their notability. There are probably local sources describing their funding, and may be some controversies arising on a local level, or programs that they offer, that could help to to their notability.(only place to vote for elections, or maybe doubles as an important meeting place for many local instutions, etc).--AerobicFox (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  • But the problem is there are no significant meeting places or votes for elections etc. held here that I could find. It is this specific institution that I'm referring to, not any other library. User:TeleComNasSprVenNaSpUser:TCNSV/PMD 00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment Just saying that library systems should most definitely not be handled like school systems. The idea that all school systems are "inherently notable" is a fallacy that we should work on overcoming. The last thing we need is a declaration that all county libraries (and other local buildings) are de-facto notable. ThemFromSpace 23:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

:Wow, that would be a headache--Guerillero | My Talk 00:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

::I see no problem, unless we are suddenly running out of server space. Edison (talk) 03:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete. I don't see an analogy to schools. Library systems are not generally notable—funding is a tiny fraction of funding for education, and the impact on a municipality or county is relatively insignificant. The notion that everything that is goes through a public funding debate is somehow notable doesn't stand up—are we to have an article on the West Podunk Phase II Auxiliary Sewage Treatment Facility? Bongomatic 02:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete, or Redirect or Merge to Huron County, Ontario. After all, the library system is part of the county government. Abductive (reasoning) 03:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep - Not just a library, but an entire library system that in itself should be worth of inclusion. --Oakshade (talk) 04:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete. If there were any notability to this building at all, the article would consist of more than hours of operation and location. Not really an article, it's a phone book listing. Agent 86 (talk) 00:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Keep This is not just an article about a building. In a county of 60,000, it is likely that multiple reliable and independent sources, even if local or regional, have had significant coverage, justifying a presumption of notability. A county library system article is a useful collective article to list the (presumably) nonnotable local libraries. Similarly, county school districts have gained "Keep" results in all recent AFDs, and serve as collective articles for all the (presumably) nonnotable elementary schools. Edison (talk) 03:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

:*Any secondary sources? No. Abductive (reasoning) 04:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Hmm. Sounds like it should probably be notable, but the sources don't seem to show it. One [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/434068841.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jan+18%2C+1999&author=Ryan+Taylor&pub=Waterloo+Region+Record&desc=Library's+resources+worth+checking+out&pqatl=google local news piece], one [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1mPpAAAAMAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22+1941&dq=%22huron+county+library%22+1941&hl=en&ei=FLM-TZnABpCLhQfO1pijCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ possibly non-independent] bulletin... sorry, but have to go delete unless someone can find a bit more. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Keep/merge as I said before.. Could merge into Huron County, Ontario...♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

:Image:Ambox warning pn.svg— Duplicate !vote: Dr. Blofeld (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.

  • Delete No indication of notability, insufficient sources available to meet WP:GNG. This article fails WP:NOT as it reads like a directory listing. Including a list of the libraries into Huron County, Ontario and including the image there would be appropriate but there is no need to list details such as street addresses or opening hours.Polyamorph (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment Several snippet view results from Google Book Search, but it is impossible from the snippets to see how extensive each hit is: [http://books.google.com/books?id=AnAVAAAAIAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22&dq=%22huron+county+library%22&hl=en&ei=Ef8-TfTkEcL38Abc1JnvCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA], [http://books.google.com/books?id=AEUbAAAAMAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22&dq=%22huron+county+library%22&hl=en&ei=Ef8-TfTkEcL38Abc1JnvCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ], [http://books.google.com/books?id=1mPpAAAAMAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22&dq=%22huron+county+library%22&hl=en&ei=qv8-TePXCoH88AaD7djdCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDYQ6AEwATgK :"There are twenty libraries belonging to the Huron County Library Association. Until this past fall our work has been only ... Librarian, Huron County Library Association, Gode- rich, Ontario, Canada. Our organization differs from most ..."], [http://books.google.com/books?id=JKnmAAAAMAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22&dq=%22huron+county+library%22&hl=en&ei=qv8-TePXCoH88AaD7djdCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCTgK "..The Huron County Library Distribution Truck. Each three months, this truck brings a fresh selection of books- to libraries in small communities throughout the county. The truck is arranged with shelves, holding 1.000 books. ..."], [http://books.google.com/books?id=hawaAAAAMAAJ&q=%22huron+county+library%22&dq=%22huron+county+library%22&hl=en&ei=xAA_TaOiG4-p8AaPkfCUCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgo "..Recorded development is confined mainly to the work of the Huron County Library, which operates an exhibition van, the first of its kind in the province, whose work has received great publicity through the showing of a film called 'The books drive on..'"]. Also, note that several classes of comparable subjects get kept automatically without providing multiple reliable and independent secondary sources with significant coverage, such as every school district. Edison (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for those but I don't personally see how the snippets demonstrate notability. I also personally don't think we should have articles on every school district, unless they can themselves also demonstrate notability. Just because wikipedia policy on the inclusion of articles on schools is messed up is no reason to keep a directory listing on very un-noteworthy local libraries.Polyamorph (talk) 17:43, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete I can't find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. Arguments pointing at de-facto notability do not fly with me-- every topic that has a stand alone article should have received at least some attention in the past. Our current practice of retaining articles about local buildings and organizations is too lax for my taste. If the library building itself can be shown to be historically notable, or if the library system can be shown to have had an historical impact on the community then I would be in favor of keeping the article. But "it exists" is not a reason to retain this. ThemFromSpace 17:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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