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Questionably notable and improvable as the best my searches found were [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=ISentia+Australia+company this], [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=ISentia+Australia+company#q=ISentia+Australia+company&tbm=nws this], [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=ISentia+Australia+company#q=ISentia+Australia+company&tbm=nws this] and [http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=ISentia+Australia+company this] and this has not changed much since starting in October 2005. Several users have come and go, changing this and that, but none of them are considerably active except {{U|DMacks}}. SwisterTwister talk 23:19, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 23:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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• Delete. Most coverage seems to be routine; nothing that seems to satisfy the GNG. Bjelleklang - talk 11:31, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
• Delete It's worth noting that until 2013, it was called "Media Monitors," but I still can't find anything past the mundane. --69.204.153.39 (talk) 00:23, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
• Keep. They're a specialist company, but a reasonably well known one. For instance they (and their predecessor Media Monitors) [https://www.google.com/search?q=isentia+site%3Aaph.gov.au&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=%22media+monitors%22+site:aph.gov.au provide or have provided services to a range of government departments]; won the [http://amecorg.com/2015-winners-case-studies/ 2015 AMEC award]; [http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/10/21/isentia-index-breaking-news-our-pm-is-not-short-of-pennies/ produces a regular index] for Crikey, [http://www.smh.com.au/business/mediamonitoring-firm-isentia-set-for-400m-sharemarket-float-20140504-37qax.html is an ASX listed company] that currently has a market cap of $830million, [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/isentia-buys-aap-media-monitoring/story-e6frg996-1226748798070 etc etc etc]. -Hydronium Hydroxide (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC) (no conflict of interest)

• Delete - accomplished is not the same as notable. No in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources to show they meet either WP:GNG or WP:CORPDEPTH. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
• delete - non-notable. DangerDogWest (talk) 18:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

:*Struck content from confirmed sock above, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.

  Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Publicly traded corporations says (my bolding):

  There has been considerable discussion over time whether publicly traded corporations, or at least publicly traded corporations listed on major stock exchanges such as the NYSE and other comparable international stock exchanges, are inherently notable. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports. Accordingly, article authors should make sure to seek out such coverage and add references to such articles to properly establish notability.

  Editors coming across an article on such a company without such references are encouraged to search (or request that others search) prior to nominating for deletion, given the very high (but not certain) likelihood that a publicly traded company is actually notable according to the primary criterion.

  1. {{cite news |last=Heffernan |first=Madeleine |date=2014-05-05 |title=Media-monitoring firm iSentia set for $400m sharemarket float |url=http://www.theage.com.au/business/mediamonitoring-firm-isentia-set-for-400m-sharemarket-float-20140504-37qax.html |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMCOxt |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  2. {{cite news |last=Bell |first=Nathan |date=2014-06-11 |title=iSentia's share price is a fragile flower |url=http://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/isentias-share-price-is-a-fragile-flower-20140610-39u4o.html |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMT0VG |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  3. {{cite news |last=Heffernan |first=Madeleine |date=2014-06-05 |title=iSentia shares impress on debut |url=http://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/isentia-shares-impress-on-debut-20140605-39kpg.html |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMYCi8 |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  4. {{cite news |last=Heffernan |first=Madeleine |date=2014-06-07 |title=iSentia overvalued, says analyst |url=http://www.theage.com.au/business/isentia-overvalued-says-analyst-20140606-39ohb.html |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMeNmW |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  5. {{cite news |last=Heffernan |first=Madeleine |date=2014-07-01 |title=Media monitoring iSentia 'ticks all the boxes', says Moelis |url=http://www.theage.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/media-monitoring-isentia-ticks-all-the-boxes-says-moelis-20140701-zss8k.html |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMkujR |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  6. {{cite news |last=Heffernan |first=Madeleine |date=2014-08-29 |title=iSentia reaffirms guidance |url=http://www.theage.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/isentia-reaffirms-guidance-20140825-1083rp |newspaper=The Age |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsMsp0e |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  7. {{cite news |last=Chappell |first=Trevor |date=2014-06-05 |title=iSentia makes strong ASX debut |url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/isentia-makes-strong-asx-debut/story-fn3dxity-1226944769412 |newspaper=The Australian |agency=Australian Associated Press |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsoyTNo |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  8. {{cite news |last=Jackson |first=Sally |date=2013-10-30 |title=AAP sells client list to dominant iSentia |url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/aap-sells-client-list-to-dominant-isentia/story-e6frg996-1226749293061 |newspaper=The Australian |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chsxnLV1 |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}
  9. {{cite news |last=Stacey |first=Daniel |date=2014-02-19 |title=Quadrant Delays $451 million IPO of iSentia |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/19/quadrant-delays-451-million-ipo-of-isentia/ |newspaper=The Wall Street Journal |accessdate=2015-11-01 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6chtBVj9N |archivedate=2015-11-01 }}

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow iSentia to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 05:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:*Comment: All of these articles concern the IPO and the stock price following the IPO, and while I'm far from an expert on these things I'd think that this is more or less routine coverage any company would have after an IPO, regardless of the notability of the company. Bjelleklang - talk 17:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

::*It is fine for the sources to be about the IPO and the stock price following the IPO.

From Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Depth of coverage:

Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization.

There is "deep coverage" about iSentia.

[http://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/isentias-share-price-is-a-fragile-flower-20140610-39u4o.html This article] from The Australian:

iSentia was a dream pitch for private equity seller Quadrant, which did a fantastic job of getting this away at a price-earnings-ratio of 26. There’s also no doubt that media monitoring is a good and growing business. iSentia is the largest firm of its kind in Australia, enjoying a 90 per cent market share by revenue, and counting 87 per cent of the S&P/ASX 100 as customers. Tick the box marked ‘‘industry leader with pricing power’’.

The company was founded in 1982 as a press clipping service, but is now a software company. Its products are organised into three pillars to help organisations get their message into the mainstream and social media, keep customers up to date with what’s appearing in the media, and delivering analytical reports on an organisation’s performance in the media.

The company’s 5000 or so customers – mainly large companies and governments – pay a subscription fee to access these products and tend to be loyal. Its top 50 clients have been with the company for an average of more than 11 years – another tick.

There’s also the fact that iSentia’s software is highly scalable. With costs largely fixed, a decent chunk of each additional sale flows straight to the bottom line. That’s good for growing margins. Tick.

[http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/isentia-makes-strong-asx-debut/story-fn3dxity-1226944769412 This article] from The Australian:

iSentia was among the most traded stocks, with its market cap hitting $486 million.

iSentia dominates Australia's media monitoring market, providing information from various media sources to alert business and government clients to what is being said about their organisations, competitors and industry.

The company uses software and other systems to capture and interpret data from more than 5,500 mainstream media outlets, 55,000 online news sources and 3.4 million user-generated content sources on Facebook, Twitter and Weibol.

Clients include Microsoft, Nike, Coca-Cola and Samsung and most of the top 100 companies listed on the ASX.

It also operates in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore and Vietnam and has an emerging presence China.

The Australian says that "iSentia dominates Australia's media monitoring market", which strongly establishes that iSentia is notable.

And the coverage I quoted above extends "well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization" (quoting from Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Depth of coverage:).

Cunard (talk) 18:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

• Comment I think Cunard made good points about WP:ROUTINE, which seems to be aimed at the truly mundane coverage. When articles in RS remark that a firm is exceptional, I think that means ROUTINE does not apply. Geo Swan (talk) 20:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
• Keep I participated in the DRV that resulted in this article being relisted. I couldn't see the state of the article, because of course, it had been deleted. Hats off to {{ping|Cunard}} for marshalling detailed and substantive references. Now that the article has been restored I can see it needs a lot of work, to integrate those fine references. I started [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ISentia&diff=689973336&oldid=685780475 integrating the references Cunard found, and started to add some additional references I found]. Geo Swan (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

:*Thank you, {{user|Geo Swan}}, for your work on the article! Cunard (talk) 05:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

• iSentia is a publicly traded corporation. According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Publicly traded corporations: "sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports."

  Here are some analyst reports:

  1. From Morningstar, Inc. ([http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archiveList?t=ISD®ion=aus&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE link]): [http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archive?t=ISD®ion=AUS&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE&docId=712360 1]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8IndW7 WebCite]}, [http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archive?t=ISD®ion=AUS&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE&docId=700954 2]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8IthVX WebCite]}, [http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archive?t=ISD®ion=AUS&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE&docId=688229 3]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8IyrBi WebCite]}, [http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archive?t=ISD®ion=AUS&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE&docId=685229 4]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8J4lmJ WebCite]}, and [http://analysisreport.morningstar.com/stock/archive?t=ISD®ion=AUS&culture=en-US&productcode=MLE&docId=676166 5]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8JBI7I WebCite]}.
  2. From Reuters: [https://commerce.uk.reuters.com/purchase/showCoBrandReportDetail.do?docid=67254499&rpc=22505 link (12 pages)]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8Rool0 WebCite]}
  3. From Wright Investors' Service Holdings, Inc.: [https://commerce.us.reuters.com/purchase/showReportDetail.do?docid=67966591 "Wright Investors Service Comprehensive Report for iSentia Group Ltd" (53 pages)]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6cr8b2HKj WebCite]}

  These sources demonstrate that because of analyst reports iSentia, like almost all publicly traded corporations passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Publicly traded corporations and Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guidelines.

  Cunard (talk) 05:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep, There are quite a few references available when anyone search by companies' previous name Sentia Media and Media Monitors. Quite a few reliable sources including Techcrunch, Business Insider Australia and others. Even publicly traded corporation, itself is a primary critera to establish notability.Kavdiamanju (talk) 13:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep – Meets WP:CORPDEPTH; some of the coverage transcends WP:ROUTINE, providing background information and overviews about the company. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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