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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iago Falqué

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE (the amateur sport part of the criteria does not apply to football because it is not an amateur sport). пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

=[[Iago Falqué]]=

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Contested WP:PROD, a 18-year old youth footballer who only played for Barcelona B during his career. As Barcelona B played Tercera Division last season, and is now playing Segunda Division B, and considering both divisions are not fully professional, the subject fails WP:ATHLETE. Angelo (talk) 12:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep: Falque was a member of the European championship U-17 finalist Spain team in 2007; he scored in the championship as well. UEFA mentions him in [http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under17/news/kind=1/newsid=537806.html their review] of the tournament. Beyond that, he is a professional player (yes, in Spain's Segunda B), but a professional nonetheless. Should Gai Assulin be deleted for these same reasons? WP:ATHLETE is extremely open-ended on this score, I think, and does not apply to Falque, in my opinion because he has excelled in an international tournament. Isaiah (talk) 19:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

:*Differently than Falqué, Assulin played for the Israeli national team (not a youth team, but the senior team, and this of course makes him notable). And as stated in several other AFD cases, youth caps do not establish consensus. --Angelo (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

::Fair enough about Assulin--I suppose its a moot point that Assulin had a page before he had an international cap--but when WP:ATHLETE says "the highest level of amateur sports," I read that as allowing for internationally recognized U-17, U-19, etc championships. Perhaps I am in the minority in this view, but that's how I see it and I'm sticking to it. Also, Barca B/Atletic is, as far as I know, as fully professional as is allowed under Spanish law (that is, if you're over 18, you must have a full professional contract). As Spain differs widely in its approach to league levels from other country (notably England) I think it a mistake to apply the same concept of amateurism and professionalism across the board. Perhaps this is not the proper forum for discussing such a thing, though. Isaiah (talk) 22:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh my. The amateur issue was discussed plenty of times before, it actually refers to non-professional sports (and football is not an amateur sport) such as, for instance, fencing, taekwondo and beach volley (just mentioned the first ones I've got into my mind). That part just does not apply to football. In addition, WP:ATHLETE talks about fully professional leagues, i.e., leagues where all clubs sign all their first team players in a full-time basis (and Segunda B is not a fully professional league). --Angelo (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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