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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ignatius von Senestréy

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. withdrawn by nom. DGG (talk) 03:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Ignatius von Senestréy]]=

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:{{la|Ignatius von Senestréy}} ([{{fullurl:Ignatius von Senestréy|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ignatius von Senestréy}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Long service, certainly, but NO assertion of notability, and I can't find anything warranting this article. Delete/merge (though I'm not sure where). King ♣ Talk 13:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

:Keep, Bishops are akin to local politicians yes sometimes no one seems to know them other then their immediate district but they are clearly notable. Keep.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- -SpacemanSpiffCalvin‡Hobbes 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. -- -SpacemanSpiffCalvin‡Hobbes 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep the german wikipedia article [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_von_Senestrey here] seems to indicate that several sources regarding the subject exist, if not in English. And it has been argued before, perhaps incorrectly, that bishops of larger denominations are more or less always notable, given the amount of material which almost certainly was written about them during their lifetimes. John Carter (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep per [http://books.google.com/books?id=7j5O-ghhLnAC&pg=PA659&dq=%22Ignatius+von+Senestr%C3%A9y%22&ei=JgFmSq-rFZuOkQSwz_z1Ag Th Catholic Encyclopaedia] which lists some of his contributions as a bishop; there are also some other [http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=%22Ignatius+von+Senestr%C3%A9y%22&lr=&sa=N&start=10 Gbooks hits] - mostly German. -SpacemanSpiffCalvin‡Hobbes 18:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - the general precedent is that all Bishops are notable. Even ignoring that, the references provided above prove notability in this case. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep per ThaddeusB. Jclemens (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

:::Good lord, talk about a learning experience. Withdraw. --King ♣ Talk 18:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment Where is there a guideline or precedent established from AFDs that every bishop of every church is inherently notable? I dispute the assertion until better proof is given. I'm pretty sure we have deleted some bishop articles, even those of major denominations, when it was an honorary appointment in a state where few congregants were to be found. Certainly a bishop of a small denomination with few church members under his jurisdiction and little coverage by independent and reliable sources is probably going to get his articles deleted. It is far from the inherent notability of legislators. Edison (talk) 20:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

: I am not suggesting alll religions that have bishops be included, however even as a non catholic i have to admit the huge role that the Catholic Church has played and still plays in our world. It is unrealistic to not include these major players of the organization. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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