Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illinois Farm Bureau

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WP:BEFORE reveals no ostensible notability. Article is almost exclusively unsourced and written by the organization themselves (user 'Ilfb1916' clearly violates WP:ISU and implies this is the subject itself), being functionally a billboard instead of a resource with any encyclopedic merit. IP editor who removed PROD did so under the justification of "Useful links and relevance due to member and partner organizations", but this is complete nonsense as it pertains to notability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Illinois. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Well, this is an interesting kettle of fish. On the one hand, we would presumably have a clear example of what WP:BRANCH was intended for; failing to find sources outside of the branch unit's area of operation, we would redirect to the parent organization. On the other hand, on this very day the American Farm Bureau Federation [https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2024-11-13/illinois-farm-bureau-expelled-from-national-federation kicked the Illinois Farm Bureau] out of the federation over a membership/business dispute, and as of December the state bureau will not have a parent organization, litigation and backroom dealing pending. I don't see any WP:SIGCOV of the organization in non-WP:TRADES publications separate from this dispute, and [https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2pfaF92WURCR014MVpaSGx1Y25DZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen that coverage is all in agricultural trade publications and local news outlets in small Illinois markets]. In the absence of an WP:NORG pass and without an appropriate WP:BRANCH redirect target, I'd have to !vote delete. Open to an WP:IAR redirect to American Farm Bureau Federation too. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

::Comment – Uh... Wow. I was not expecting this to take that direction. The WP:BEFORE I'd done for this organization was two days ago, so this wasn't even on my radar when I nominated it. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. According to the [https://www.wglt.org/local-news/2024-11-13/illinois-farm-bureau-expelled-from-national-federation NPR story given already above] the IFB is the largest insurer of farms in the state of Illinois. It's a significant company with a lengthy history. There is significant coverage in the following including a book about the company:

:*Nancy K. Berlage. "Organizing the Farm Bureau: Family, Community, and Professionals, 1914-1928" Agricultural History, Vol. 75, No. 4 (Autumn, 2001), pp. 406-437 (32 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/3745183

:*[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Farmers_Helping_Farmers/VICkDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Farmers Helping Farmers: The Rise of the Farm and Home Bureaus, 1914-1935] (2016, Louisiana State University Press)

:*Dan Leifel and Norma Haney. The Diamond Harvest: A History of the Illinois Farm Bureau (Bloomington: Illinois Agricultural Association, 1990).

:*Cynthia Clampitt. Mid- west Maize: How Corn Shaped the U.S. Heartland (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2015).

:*Additionally JSTOR has 240 hits when searching on the "Illinois Farm Bureau" and there are more than 9,000 hits in PROQUEST with lots of SIGCOV news coverage across many decades. Sourcing and WP:ORGCRIT is not an issue here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

::Some thoughts on these sources:

::*The first two (the Agricultural History article and the LSU Press book) are both by the same author, Nancy Berlage. Collectively these would count as one source (since they are not intellectually independent of each other).

::*Dan Leifel and Norma Maney both worked for the Illinois Farm Bureau for decades, [http://ilfb.netrixlab.com/history/index.html Leifel as general counsel and Maney as an executive assistant]. Their history of the IFB cannot be considered an independent source.

::*Can you point to what in the Clampitt book refers to the Illinois Farm Bureau? I can't access the text but the snippets available via Google Books indicate it's only index mentions, not WP:SIGCOV. Would be happy to be proven wrong if you can share how Clampitt discusses the subject. (If it was pulled from [https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/jillistathistsoc.111.1-2.0120 this Illinois historiography article], it's clear the author is talking about the Maney and Leifel book, not saying Clampitt covered the IFB in her book: {{tq|Agriculture remains a critical part of the Illinois economy. A recent centennial history of the Illinois Farm Bureau offers a broad look at state agriculture including the post World War II period. Cynthia Clampitt wrote a history of midwestern corn production that includes work on Illinois.}})

::*The "NPR" story I linked above is actually a local radio story from an NPR affiliate and doesn't pass the WP:AUD test.

::*I paged through many of the JSTOR listings and didn't find any additional WP:SIGCOV. Apart from the Berlage article above, they all appear to be WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS.

::Based on this analysis, I see only one WP:SIRS source to pass WP:NORG. Open to reviewing more if you can supply additional examples. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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• weak keep: The history from the ProQuest article is fine, this talks about the Bureau [https://www.proquest.com/openview/78b931c0a0bb588e005052701302a90e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y] as well. just barely enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• :Question {{re|Oaktree b}} Where does the dissertation talk about the IFB? I trust you that it does (because this seems extraordinarily thorough), but this document doesn't have a full download, and what small portion of it is available is not Ctrl+F-able. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Well, I access it at work, I'm at home now, with no access... From what I remember, it was how scientists either with or working for the farm bureau helped develop new strains of corn. I can pull this one up in the Wikipedia Library above [https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=f6h&AN=118544944&site=eds-live&scope=site], basically a 100 year history of the bureau from the Illinois Heritage magazine. I think it should be an acceptable source. Oaktree b (talk) 03:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Some coverage about a legal dispute with the Bureau and the national federation [https://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/article/illinois-farm-bureau-files-lawsuit-afbf-19941110.php]... This has a ton of hits in Gnews, but most are smaller news outlets or farmer news information sites... Oaktree b (talk) 16:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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