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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isobel Waller-Bridge

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is delete as per WP:TOOSOON (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

=[[Isobel Waller-Bridge]]=

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A film and TV composer. Films were shorts or she didn't do all the music. So, she has done four TV episodes and minor film work, not a big resume. Unable to find any independent and reliable references about her in the article or elsewhere. Bgwhite (talk) 20:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bgwhite (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete - No coverage in reliable sources. As far as I can tell, this is a working musician, and that's about it for now. -- Whpq (talk) 16:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment Possibly meets WP:CREATIVE for her work in theatre. I'll try to check out some refs. -- Trevj (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

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  • Weak keep per WP:CREATIVE: {{tq|The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of [...] multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isobel_Waller-Bridge&curid=35901225&diff=497517846&oldid=494066873 Some improvements have recently been made.][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isobel_Waller-Bridge&curid=35901225&diff=497521506&oldid=494066873 Updated 08:40, 14 June 2012.] Waller-Bridge is credited with the music in 3 theatre pieces. Her TV/film work may have been noted too, although I've not found anything for it. -- Trevj (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

::The plays were regional only. Head Music and Heart in Mouth are actually "one play". They consist of two 30-minute plays. I can't get any refs on the Head/Heart plays, but it has a common name, especially with a band. I can get refs on The Girl with the Iron Claws, problem being it isn't a musical and hardly any refs mention Waller-Bridge. The plays are not notable or significant. Neither two are musicals. No refs mention anything about what Waller-Bridge did except to profide music to non-musicial. Bgwhite (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

:::OK, firstly I'd like to say that this really isn't my genre: I'm no theatre or composer specialist and the only info I know about the subject is what I've recently read and researched here.

::#AFAICT the plays were more than regional. The former (agreed, they're presented as a double bill but I'm sure I read that they were written by different people)[http://www.remotegoat.co.uk/review_view.php?uid=7169] toured Oxford, Bristol, Manchester, Exeter and London.[http://www.wefund.com/project/headheart-summer-tour][http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Theatre-Review/head-heart-theatre503] The latter was at the Edinburgh Fringe[http://www.festivalpreviews.com/component/content/article/37-virtual-flyers/2397-the-girl-with-the-iron-claws], presumably at home in Hull[http://www.hulltruck.co.uk/whats-on/family-fun?action=view&id=480] and currently in Guildford.[http://www.yvonne-arnaud.co.uk/production/the-girl-with-the-iron-claws]

::#I don't think it matters whether the subject's work is for musicals or not.

::#I understand that we don't have articles on the plays. However, that doesn't necessarily make them not notable. There may even be a case for the creation of The Girl with the Iron Claws[http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/theatreblog/2012/may/25/lyn-gardner-theatre-tips][http://www.ayoungertheatre.com/review-the-girl-with-the-iron-claws-soho-theatre-wrong-crowd-theatre-company/] and/or Head/Heart (although I admit that I've not checked the relevant notability guidelines and understand that WP:NOTINHERITED would apply).

::#Reviews of the pieces do indeed mention what Waller-Bridge did, stating {{tq|The piece excels visually and aurally with Isobel Waller-Bridge’s nuanced soundtrack and Rachael Canning’s marvellous puppets}}[http://exeuntmagazine.com/reviews/the-girl-with-the-iron-claws/], {{tq|The magical and eerie music by Isobel Waller-Bridge}}[http://www.broadwaybaby.com/listing.php?id=12929], {{tq|The audience is welcomed by a seductive piano accompanied by gentle strings; music composed by Isobel Waller-Bridge to create a contemplative mood}}[http://www.remotegoat.co.uk/review_view.php?uid=7169], {{tq|the performance builds in intensity to a joyous and confidently complex finale, subtly led by Performance Musical Director, Isobel Waller-Bridge}}[http://www.uktheatre.net/magazine/read/a-christmas-carol-manchester-library-theatre-company-at-the-lowry_810.html] and the subject is included within the listed {{tq|young team of exciting creatives}}.[http://www.phonic.fm/2011/an-exploration-of-love-and-loss]

:::-- Trevj (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

:::PS I still think it's a weak keep, but a keep nonetheless. Not being familiar with the genre and typically acceptable refs, I'm not sure if all the refs truly qualify as WP:RS. However, the subject has been noted for her contributions in theatre. So she's either (borderline) notable, has a good agent or has influential friends reviewing her work. Is anyone able to cite any info about her work for radio/TV or as a performer? -- Trevj (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - Thanks to Trevj for listing out some more sources to consider. I've looked them over and for me, these still fall on the delete side of the notability line when considering the sources and the degree of coverage that is present. -- Whpq (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
  • :Oh well... Anyway, thanks for looking. -- Trevj (talk) 18:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC) (The notability line is blurred, and for me they still fall on the other side.) -- Trevj (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

::::I'd say get glasses, so the notability line isn't blurry. But, I just got a new prescription on my glasses that dramatically helped my vision... I saw my wife in focus for the first time. I screamed, panicked, wailed and ended up breaking my glasses so I wouldn't live in horror. Don't get the glasses if you are married. Bgwhite (talk) 21:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::The last pair I got soon became uncomfortable. They're now long overdue being replaced but I've just been muddling on without. As for my wife, she rarely wears her glasses either. -- Trevj (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete per Whpq. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete. I don't really regard the sources in the article or mentioned on this page as proving notability, and I couldn't find any others online. Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 04:21, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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