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Entirely promotional and lacking WP:SUSTAINED notability backed up by WP:RS Amigao (talk) 01:25, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to work on it with you and make sure it's impartial...guy has some...interesting coverage and I think in the public interest. Lmk I want to get into editing and this looks cool. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-17/genstar-s-conte-to-back-takeover-of-lyon-football-teamhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12610833/Genstar-chairman-Jean-Pierre-Conte-sues-interior-designer-ex-girlfriend-Hillary-Thomas-defamation-claimed-attacked-Aspen-home-2022.html Socialio86 (talk) 01:55, 29 April 2025 (UTC) {{small|WP:SOCKSTRIKE Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:07, 29 April 2025 (UTC)}}

:Comment: See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#J-P Conte - MediaKyle (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Socialio86 has been blocked as a sockpuppet. PhilKnight (talk) 03:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:::And [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJ-P_Conte&diff=1287948091&oldid=1287947486 more keep popping up]. smh. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:40, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:40, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
• This article was accepted at AfC by a reputable editor in 2020. What has changed with regard to the subject's notability, in that time? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::Great questions as {{u|Theroadislong}} is a reputable editor so pinging them here. I still have no opinion on notability as I have been slowly throwing out the unreliable sources and WP:REFBOMB trying to narrow down the significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:36, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:::At WP:AFC we are minded to accept drafts if there is more than a 50% chance of them surviving an WP:AFD that is all. Theroadislong (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I would say if we take [https://fortune.com/2023/10/06/genstar-assualt-chairman-lawsuit-jean-pierre-conte/ this into consideration] he may just make it. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:43, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

• I currently see sources like [https://www.pionline.com/private-equity/genstar-capital-chair-jean-pierre-conte-accused-assault-ex-partner this], [https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/attorney-polygraph-test-results-show-genstar-capital-exec-didn-t-attack/article_019a0852-7c7a-11ee-9b7d-bbaedd6db67b.html this] and [https://ceoworld.biz/2025/01/22/jp-conte-building-bridges-between-business-and-philanthropy/ this] that may as well contribute to notability. The sources in the article mostly do not contribute to notability standards. I will reconsider later if evidence lead to the subject not meeting notability standards. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::I removed quite a few sources but I am done until the AfD plays out. I found a lot of FAKEREFs and user-generated references (likely paid for based on the COIN thread). The Pionline source is churnalism from the Bloomberg article and CEO World is unreliable (user generated so would be similar to WP:FORBESCON. However, I did find some better sources I will list below. Compiling them now. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

• {{strikethrough|Keep}} Delete - {{strikethrough|per the sources that @ToadetteEdit and @CNMall41 shared, the subject does appear to pass the notability test. The article needs cleanup, though.}} After hearing the points made by HilssaMansen19 and other editors, I do think that the subject is not notable as of right now. The sources related to his accusation seem to be short of WP:SIGCOV. This seems to me like a instance of WP:TOOSOON. WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
• Source Assessment - After removing most of the REFBOMB on the page and doing a quick BEFORE, here is what we are left with:

:1. Sources related to an assault. A lot of churnalism but here are the most reliable - [https://fortune.com/2023/10/06/genstar-assualt-chairman-lawsuit-jean-pierre-conte/ Fortune], [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-22/genstar-capital-s-conte-accused-of-aspen-assault-by-ex-partner Bloomberg], [https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/attorney-polygraph-test-results-show-genstar-capital-exec-didn-t-attack/article_019a0852-7c7a-11ee-9b7d-bbaedd6db67b.html Aspen Daily News] (this source would be one for WP:BALANCE should anyone find the incident inclusion worthy).

:2. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-17/genstar-s-conte-to-back-takeover-of-lyon-football-team Bloomberg] (about the investment in the Lyon Football Team) - Not too in-depth on him but provides context of his investment activities.

:Unfortunately, I do not find anything else that would be considered significant coverage. So, if he is notable for the assault accusation, then its a clear Keep. If not, the bio fails WP:GNG. I also see that the campaign noted in COIN [https://www.sfexaminer.com/marketplace/jp-conte-s-vision-creating-lasting-impact/article_3dde0c02-d9ce-11ef-8e9c-37740f70dbd6.html still continues] so there are a lot of sources out there which are masquerading as reliable when in fact they are paid for or user-generated content (or both).--CNMall41 (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per above comments and upon a simple specific search, articles that can be found are [https://fortune.com/2023/10/06/genstar-assualt-chairman-lawsuit-jean-pierre-conte/][https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/attorney-polygraph-test-results-show-genstar-capital-exec-didn-t-attack/article_019a0852-7c7a-11ee-9b7d-bbaedd6db67b.html][https://www.hoover.org/research-teams/j-p-conte-initiative-immigration][https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2025/01/429291/grateful-son-jp-conte-fuels-research-parkinsons-disease-and-other-brain][https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/genstar-chair-calls-ex-partners-assault-claims-pure-fiction][https://www.aspentimes.com/news/genstar-capitals-chairman-counter-sues-former-girlfriend-for-defamation/][https://denmarkbridge.com/events/jp-conte-the-development-and-financing-of-silicon-valley][https://www.abfjournal.com/thornburg-bow-river-advisers-supports-coltala-holdings-acquisition-of-aeroparts-group/][https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hoover-institution-establishes-initiative-names-205200061.html][https://ground.news/article/genstar-capitals-conte-accused-of-aspen-assault-by-ex-partner][https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-06/genstar-head-calls-ex-partner-s-assault-claims-pure-fiction] and some more with passable mentions. Some might be there in the article too and they do show WP:N and WP:GNG. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 02:07, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|HilssaMansen19}}, welcome back to Wikipedia. I am wondering if you looked at these sources or just pasted what came up in a Google Search. The reason I ask is because the assault accusation were addressed in the above sources assessment already and some you posted include churnalism of the topic. Are you saying he is notable for the assault accusation? You also posted [https://www.abfjournal.com/thornburg-bow-river-advisers-supports-coltala-holdings-acquisition-of-aeroparts-group/ this] which has NOTHING to do with him (in fact, it came up in Google Search because his name appears in the sidebar for a different article on that site) and [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hoover-institution-establishes-initiative-names-205200061.html this] (not only is this a press release, but it is a regurgitation of a press release and clearly marked as such). Never has a press release been used to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:::thanks man, no, I read the articles first and if they have relation to the subject with any passable mention including their work, profile or any related thing, I copy paste. Honestly, I might have missed one or two because there were many and copy tab only allows 5 in my keyboard, some are deleted when I realise it's over five and thus, I paste them in notes first. Thank you for pointing that one out. As for the other one, it mentioned subject's current posts and relation with other institutions, that's why I considered it a passable mention where it can be used to verify subject's posts/relations HilssaMansen19 (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Okay. I apologize but I do not understand your response. The analysis of the sources you presented is not correct as at least one is a press release, one is a dead link, etc. Can you go back through them and either point out the ones that are considered significant coverage or re-visit your vote based on an actual WP:BEFORE?--CNMall41 (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - Minimal WP:SIGCOV that doesn't involve a WP:BLPCRIME violation . Majority of his sources currently on his page appear to be profiles hosted by his company's sites or are related to Philanthropy . Unless we're debating the notability as a philanthropist, I think he needs more SIGCOV related to his career activities without mention to an allegation of assault & his countersuit of defamation . If convicted of assault, this would change things . In addition to this, I don't see his Wiki page being more than a CV unless better press appears.. That all being said he's just not notable and the page that is here sucks for wiki .--BigManBiggerFrog (talk)

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::Also pinging @Pigsonthewing – now that the AfC reviewer has replied, would you like to suggest an outcome? Toadspike [Talk] 09:37, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Sources used now are either primary or only mentions. I can find mentions of a "crime" [https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/attorney-polygraph-test-results-show-genstar-capital-exec-didn-t-attack/article_019a0852-7c7a-11ee-9b7d-bbaedd6db67b.html], [https://fortune.com/2023/10/06/genstar-assualt-chairman-lawsuit-jean-pierre-conte/] that doesn't seem to meet criminal notability either. I don't see enough for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - {{ping|Toadspike}} thanks for the ping as I forgot all about this. I find it strange to even consider notability based on an assault accusation. If you take that away, there is very little coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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