Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack McKenna

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Sigcov available - [https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/arid-10092703.html article about subject in Irish Examiner], [https://www.kildarenow.com/news/sport/539304/kildare-s-jack-mckenna-on-the-oche-in-1990.html Leinster Leader], op-ed about subject in [https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/ewan-mackenna-darts-appeal-lies-in-fun-and-integrity/38830792.html Irish Independent] (please note the author is not related to the subject in spite of their surname) and [https://www.balls.ie/other-sports/world-darts-championship-jack-mckenna-536949 Balls.ie]. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• :Irish Examiner - routine coverage after a victory. /// Kildare Now - more about how he just happened to be the recipient of Paul Lim's nine darter than anything about the man himself. /// Irish Independent - passing mention in an article more concerned with the drinking culture in darts. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• ::Irish Examiner article actually interviews the subject about stuff further than just his victory and is beyond just the routine coverage of "subject won match". Leinster Leader (Kildare Now) is still sigcov beyond discussing Paul Lim's nine darter in two of the paragraphs. Irish Independent article remains an op-ed that heavily discusses McKenna. Furthermore, coverage is available in depth about McKenna in [https://dartsnews.com/pdc/forgotten-darters-jack-mckenna-was-closest-witness-to-first-ever-nine-darter-at-a-world-championship Dartsnews.com]. As well as this, there was a full length article in the Sunday Tribune in 2010 about McKenna which absolutely meets SIGCOV - though the article itself has been taken down, it's been reuploaded by [https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/bullseye-for-jack-the-lad/ the journalist who wrote the piece] here. With these six I think the case for meeting GNG is clear. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• :::Irish Examiner is blatantly routine coverage after a victory whereby he discusses his preparation for the next game. That's the entire article? /// Kildare Now is almost entirely about Lim's nine darter, with the exception of the final paragraph, where the "significant coverage" consists of a man saying he doesn't drink alcohol. /// Irish Independent is an article where we learn McKenna was, you guessed it, the man who stood behind Paul Lim as he hit the nine darter, we learn that he has a chest infection at the time of writing the article, and that he was once in a minibus that broke down near Drogheda. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• ::::All three remain articles specifically about the subject - and yes, you might find whatever's mentioned in the op-ed boring, that doesn't really matter in terms of the fact there's been a national newspaper op-ed written with several paragraphs about him. But even taking your definition of WP:ROUTINE (which if it was just "McKenna won this match" and no further comment from or about subject I'd agree with, but it's not, so it's not) at its best and throwing out the three articles you disagree with, that still leaves three other full articles that provide significant coverage of McKenna. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 22:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• :::::An article where 5 paragraphs out of 6 talk about Paul Lim's nine darter is mathematically not specifically about this bloke whatsoever. I never said anything was boring, I just literally described what the Independent article was? How a darts player prepares for his second game after winning his first game is very WP:ROUTINE, which is what that article in the Examiner. The Darts News article is five paragraphs summarising a 34 year career, one paragraph of which is about, yep, you guessed it, Paul Lim's nine-darter. The remaining paragraphs are very much WP:ROUTINE reporting of six matches in his 34 year career. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Darts, and Ireland. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The Irish Examiner source is routine pre-match hype with roughly a sentence of secondary coverage {{n}}. Kildare Now has about two sentences of secondary coverage, with the rest being coverage of Lim, primary, or quotes {{n}}. The Independent source is a first-person OpEd; per policy this is considered primary and therefore unusable for GNG. Balls.ie is almost entirely an interview, with the minimal secondary coverage being in the context of Lim's performance {{n}}. JoelleJay (talk) 22:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, the [https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=jack%20mckenna%20darts&retrievecountrycounts=false British Newspaper Archive] appears to have plenty of coverage of him, including mentions such as "Jack McKenna is a household name in Irish sport" and "Jack McKenna is the best darts player Ireland has ever produced". BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• :Are tabloid newspapers considered reliable sources? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• :: Several of those (e.g. randomly selected national Evening Herald and Sunday World) are of the newspaper size tabloid, not that they necessarily engage in tabloid journalism. Someone who has multiple sources attesting him as a national "household name" and "the best darts player" in the nation's history is clearly notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• :::Except they do engage in tabloid journalism. Hence my comment. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• :::: Source? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)