Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Edward Miller

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Does not meet WP:ATHLETE; Has not played at the highest level of his sport (NFL or any other professional league). He has ended a rather nondescript college career and does not appear to have any pro prospects. Mosmof (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't seem to meet WP:ATHLETE/WP:BIO. Stifle (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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• Delete I don't really know what he's done that's notable.--Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 01:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Under the current WP:ATHLETE wording, is notable since he's competed at NCAA Division I, the highest level of amateur athletics. — X96lee15 (talk) 04:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment For some reason, I thought the "highest level of amateur athletics" thing didn't apply to a sport played professionally at a higher level, but it looks like I was mistaken. Still, although he would get in if we simply go by the letter of WP:ATHLETE, he doesn't come close to meeting the general WP:N (the only thing that sets him apart from other players, beyond membership on the USC football team is this piece of trivia, "Although Miller's college career was hampered by back injuries, Jimmy appeared in over two dozen college football games and is the only tight end on the 2008 USC Trojans football team to have caught a touchdown pass thrown by Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart"). Now, there are 120 FBS schools, each with 100+ players, including walk-ons. That's 12,000 players every year, and 3,000 each class. So over the course of history, we literally have hundreds of thousands of athletes, the vast majority of whom do not meet WP:N, meet WP:ATHLETE even though their articles will never expand beyond stub level and will not have any significant, non-trivial, independent coverage. That seems pretty indiscriminate to me. Somehow, I think the amateur portion of WP:ATHLETE wasn't meant for cases like this. --Mosmof (talk) 14:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. I wrote the FA 2007 USC Trojans football team, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about USC football, and while he's managed to stay on one of the best college teams in the land his career has not amounted to anything. While that's admirable as a personal feat, I do not see any relevancy and this is exactly what revising the WP:ATHLETE to be too black/white has resulted in: a non-notable college player with a personal bio page on Wikipedia. With that said, if he ends up as a player on a CFL or NFL team, I would be happy to revise my opinion. But since he had no significant playing time or contributions on teams that have featured such notable tight ends as Fred Davis. I am not unaware of the Matt Cassell factor, but Cassell managed to get on an NFL team. If Miller were considered NFL caliber, by some bona fide service, than I'd also be willing to change my vote. I cannot see any value in including this article for now. WP:ATHLETE needs to be revised to better encompass the line that college football sits on versus other sports. --Bobak (talk) 16:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:ATHLETE Ndenison ^talk 14:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment The fact that people are using WP:ATHLETE as reasons to keep and to delete this article makes me think it HAS to be rewritten. — X96lee15 (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

:Reply WP:ATHLETE states that one must compete at the highest level of amateur sport. According to USC's depth chart[http://usc.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp], he's a fourth string TE. I would not call that competing at the highest level. Ndenison ^talk 21:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• Delete nn, so nn we don't know his date of birth. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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