Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Emswiller

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Does not meet GNG - sources are nearly all related to the manner of his death on a movie set. Has had notability tag since 10/2018. Chrysaor (talk) 01:51, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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:Delete - His story is indeed tragic, but Wikipedia cannot and should not become a shrine or a repository of grief. This case is not notable per WP:1E and any reliable sourcing on his demise can be discreetly tucked away into the article on the movie rather than by creating an overt content fork! Michepman (talk) 03:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep - won an Emmy Award, meets WP:ANYBIO #1 ("The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor"). Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 07:48, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Keep/merge I agree that detailed info about this person seems quite scarce but here's [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CfWaDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT125 another source]. The worst case is a merger into A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood – the movie in question per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew D. (talk) 09:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - He's won an Emmy, which means he passes WP:ANYBIO. To be fair, that guideline states that meeting a criteria doesn't guarantee inclusion, but 99% of the time we treat a major award like an Emmy as sufficient in and of itself. And in this case, we also have the substantial news coverage surrounding his death, which means there are a tonne of RSs giving information about his life sufficient to flesh out an article. On it's own that might be a WP:BLP1E case, but take it with the Emmy, and notability is clearly established. Hug^syrup 14:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delete There are very many recipients of technical Emmy awards who are not notable and do not need Wikipedia pages. I believe that Emswiller is one of these individuals, as the only sources that reference him are in relation to his work on an anticipated film and his tragic death tangentially related to the production. KidAd (talk) 20:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delete The headlines of the obits are playing up the Emmy, but I have to agree with the above comment. The Television academy gives out thousands of awards every year in multiple divisions. His was for a marquee show (on HBO) but was not among the marquee awards we normally confer for Wiki notability (unless one is a significant multiple winner across many years). His Emmy was of the technical variety, awarded at a separate “Creative Art’s” ceremony. He was one of 25 people to be awarded Sound Mixing Emmys at that year’s dinner, one of five on the team that won for HBO’s “Bessie” in the category of “Outstanding Sound Mixing in a Limited Series or Movie.” See: [https://www.emmys.com/sites/default/files/Downloads/2015-creative-arts-winners-v1.pdf] It’s a great professional accomplishment that I’m sure led to better assignments among Sound Mixing projects, but I don’t believe it’s the type that meets WP:ANYBIO. Otherwise, all that’s left--as noted--is wide coverage of his on-set death, but WP:NOTNEWS. Seems like he was an accomplish professional with many credits, but without SIGCOV during his lifetime, it's as ordinary as any successful person, but not encyclopedic worthy. ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delete - an Emmy has not quite the prestige of an Oscar. I stand by my belief that winning an Academy Award, even for the most technical, creates automatic notability. Bearian (talk) 15:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

::To be fair, however WP:ANYBIO doesn't say 'has won an award with the prestige of an Oscar'. It says 'has won a well known and significant award'. Are Emmys not well-known and significant?

• Redirect to List of film and television accidents#2010s where this is already covered - no need for a separate article - Epinoia (talk) 21:03, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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