Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Groninger

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The result was keep. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:00, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

=[[James Groninger]]=

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Declined PROD as a president of a minor league, a legitimate reason to de-PROD. However, it was a Class-D league, and all sources on "James Groninger" seem to be about an attorney. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:Keep Per precedent set forth here Alex (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete A single prior AfD hardly constitutes a precedent. This is yet another cut-and-paste job by Alex from BR Bullpen to here (or from here to there) that lacks proper sources to meet GNG. If Alex doesn't have sources, why doesn't he just create BR Bullpen pages and leave it at that? It's not like BR Bullpen is at risk of disappearing. Almost every one of today's AfDs has no sources or one database source. — NY-13021 (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:*And for non-BLPs, a lack of references present in the article isn't a good reason to delete. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment. I haven't evaluated it, but here are some articles about Groninger: [http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1908/VOL_52_NO_02/SL5202025.pdf 1908 article] on his operation of the Penn-West Virginia League], [http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1909/VOL_52_NO_20/SL5220012.pdf snippet] on his election as league president, [http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1907/VOL_49_NO_07/SL4907013.pdf news note] about his having played for and being mentioned as coach of the University of West Virginia team. Cbl62 (talk) 05:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Keep - as the president of a professional sports league, regardless of its level, he is notable; the fact that "all sources" seem to point to somebody else I presume refers to online sources - I'd doubt there'd be very much online about a D-level baseball exec from so long ago, aside from what Cbl62 found above - offline sources are the place to look. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Keep. I've now substantially expanded the article. He also played basketball and baseball for the West Virginia Mountaineers and was captain of both teams. He later became the Assistant Secretary of State of the State of West Virginia. Plenty of coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 21:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Keep per expansion--TM 00:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Withdrawn. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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