Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane Lampton Clemens

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The mother of Mark Twain, not apparently notable for anything besides that, which means the article fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Waddles 🗩 🖉 06:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, United States of America, Iowa, and Kentucky. Waddles 🗩 🖉 06:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak delete per nom, I can't find anything notable other than her being the mother of Mark Twain - happy to be enlightened on that front though. Viridae^{DON'T PANIC} 09:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - there is a 1964 book written about her (374 pages),{{Cite book |last=Varble |first=Rachel M. |title=Jane Clemens: The story of Mark Twain's mother |date=1964-01-01 |publisher=Doubleday & Company |edition=1st |language=English}} and these two sources also contain useful information.{{Cite journal |last=McMillen |first=Margot |date=Fall 2020 |title=Jane Clemens, Slavery, and Abolitionists in Missouri |url=https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=hft&AN=146695734&site=eds-live&scope=site |journal=Mark Twain Journal |volume=58 |issue=2 |pages=98–121}}{{Cite news |last=Watts |first=Aretta L. |date=1928-02-05 |title=MARK TWAIN'S GAY MOTHER; 'Becky Thatcher' Describes the Woman From Whom He Inherited His Sense of Humor |language=en-US |work=The New York Times |url=https://www.nytimes.com/1928/02/05/archives/mark-twains-gay-mother-becky-thatcher-describes-the-woman-from-whom.html |access-date=2022-12-28 |issn=0362-4331}} DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep on basis of there being a book written about her, that is a very clear indication of notability: Varble, R. M., Varble, R. (. (1964). Jane Clemens: The Story of Mark Twain's Mother. United States: Doubleday. CT55555(talk) 14:44, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

• Keep - She is the subject of a [https://books.google.com/books/about/Jane_Clemens.html?id=nxSxAAAAIAAJ 1964 biography] published by Doubleday, inspiration for the "Aunt Polly" character and included in Mark Twain's writings, [https://www.marktwainproject.org/biographies/bio_clemens_jane.html [1]] subject of numerous scholarly articles referencing her influence on Twain as a writer, [https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Jane+Lampton+Clemens%22&acc=on&wc=on [2]][3] and subject of significant coverage. [https://cse.google.com/cse?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0&cof=FORID:13%3BAH:left%3BCX:Wikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Jane+Lampton+Clemens%22 [4]] DMVHistorian (talk) 16:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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• Keep - WP:INVALIDBIO says {{tq|That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)}}, and there appears to be significant coverage of her. Other sources include: [https://www.winchestersun.com/2017/11/10/the-myth-regarding-mark-twains-mother/ The myth regarding Mark Twain’s mother] (Winchester Sun, 2017), [https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=83397 Jane Lampton Home] (Historical Marker Database) ([https://explorekyhistory.ky.gov/items/show/217?tour=13&index=6 KY Historical Society]). Twain also wrote about her (e.g. [https://www.jstor.org/stable/26475051 A Connecticut Yankee in Jane Lampton's South: Mark Twain and the Regicide] (via JSTOR, "In the memoir of his mother, entitled simply "Jane Lampton Clemens,""), and on GScholar, there are several mentions of her influence on Twain, e.g. [https://www.jstor.org/stable/26439648], [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41693896], [https://www.jstor.org/stable/26367284], [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41640956]. Beccaynr (talk) 15:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak keep, her notabiliy beyond being Twain's mother is thin, but there is sufficient sourcing wo meet WP:GNG and they are RS.— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, but what if this were combined with John Marshall Clemens, parents of Mark Twain? Hyperbolick (talk) 00:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, Clearly is of historical value. YTKevduck (talk) 18:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep Notability has clearly been demonstrated by others. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, passes GNG. Poya-P (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep Lots of JStor articles. Passes WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 19:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep - "The influence of Clemens on her son Mark Twain's writings has been the subject of scholarly debate and analysis." (kazillion cites) Bearian (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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