Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jersey City (soccer)

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First, the name of the article is incorrect, as the name of the Jersey City Soccer team was not simply "Jersey City"; Second, there exists an article with the correct team name, Jersey City Celtics. Not sure much else is needed to explain why this page should be deleted. Onel5969 (talk) 20:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep - Jersey City Celtics are a team that folded early during the 1921/22 season. Jersey City are a different team that only played in part of the second half of the 1928/29 season. They are two distinct teams, and should have two different articles. There are numerous references in the article, documenting the name as Jersey City, such as [http://homepages.sover.net/~spectrum/year/1929.html], [http://soccerstats.us/teams/jersey-city-asl/], [http://www.rsssf.com/usadave/asli.html]. Also an examination of the newspaper article after their final game against Providence on February 9, 1929 shows the name simply as Jersey City, with no mention of Celtics. This article is on Page 11 of the February 11, 1929 edition of the [http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Dnd9Dw9jpwAC&dat=19290211&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Providence News]. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - Nfitz has demonstrated that the two clubs were different and thus entitled to separate articles assuming they are notable -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

:Nfitz is correct that the Jersey City Celtics page only documents the team which played earlier in the decade. However, he is incorrect that the references provide documentation that the name of the team is simply "Jersey City". In the article he cites, the team is referred to as the "Jerseymen", which in and of itself does not prove that this was their team name, it might simply have been the paper referring to the "men from Jersey". However, in that same article, Providence is simply referred to as Providence, and no reference is made to their team name of "Gold Bugs". Every other team in the ASL league had a team name. I would also cite WP:NOTE, since the team is only referenced in the list of teams in two of the citations, and has a brief one-line note in the third. I think Nfitz makes a very valid point that "moving" the article might be the best, rather than deletion, if we could only find out what the correct name of the organization was. Anybody have a copy of The American Soccer League: The Golden Years of American Soccer 1921-1931? Onel5969 (talk) 21:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

::Even if it did have another name (and we have a lot of sources that don't show another name), how is that grounds for deletion? Surely it's simply grounds for editing or renamign the article. Nfitz (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

:::Please read the entire post above. If the incorrect name of the article was the only issue, I would agree with you. But they are a non-notable team.Onel5969 (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

::::If you thought that were the case, why didn't you mention it in the nomination? The one local newspaper I checked and referenced above, had a long, detailed description of the game the team played in their town, and it is now referenced in the article. Presumably the team achieved similar coverage in other cities it played in. All the top teams in the league played in the 1929–30 National Challenge Cup. At the risk of WP:OSE every other team that every played in the league, even those that didn't last as long, have an article, see American Soccer League (1921-1933)#Complete team list. Nfitz (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep - a notable team (and separate franchise to the earlier 'Celtics') as it played in the top level of US soccer at that time. GiantSnowman 19:40, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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