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Proded this and was removed. 2nd class scriptwriters award shared between 3 folk. Refs are profiles. Been on the cat:nn list for 13 years and never been updated. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 12:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Authors, and China. AllyD (talk) 14:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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• Leaning keep. In addition to her awards for Apart Together, I see some sigcov for her 2020 BBC collaboration Hear Her ([http://epaper.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202101/07/WS5ff653cfa31099a23435315f.html China Daily]), suggesting she may pass WP:CREATIVE as she has "created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." I'm suspicious that a search of Chinese sources will be more productive, and hope that a Chinese-speaker might share their findings here. pburka (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

::No it doesn't. That is an interview and passing mention at best. This is a WP:BLP. It needs to be real in-depth, significant coverage that is independent of the subject. Not passing mentions and being one of three people with an 2nd class award. None of this so far satisfies this. WP:THREE are the normal standard for this. Three decent WP:SECONDARY would do it. scope_creep^Talk 10:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

:::It is worth noting that this film was shown in the west. So if there was kind of significance constituting notability, it would be plaining obvious, but its not. scope_creep^Talk 10:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

:::Twice above it is said that the scriptwriting award was shared with 2 others. It was certainly shared with :Wang Quan'an but I don't understand who the 3rd person is suggested to be - I think this is a misunderstanding? Anyway, as I said on the article Talk page, I am unconvinced there is enough to establish notability here, but for this discussion I will mention a [https://ent.sina.cn/film/chinese/2010-02-23/detail-icczmvun2851203.d.html Sina interview] (23 Feb 2010) with the subject about the script that she developed with Wang and also some biographical information and mention of her previous work as a writer about films. (As far as I can see, and without having strong sources with which to expand the article, she appears to have been working predominantly as a TV and film producer in the years since.) AllyD (talk) 10:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

:::: Interviews don't establish notability unless the person is a model. They are WP:PRIMARY at best. Your right, it was two people that received the award, I thought it was three, but it only a second class award. It is a silver bear award not a gold one. So apart from the award there is no other WP:SECONDARY coverage. Not a thing. scope_creep^Talk 11:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

  People are presumed {{strong|notable}} if they have received significant coverage in {{strong|multiple published}} {{strong|secondary sources}} that are {{strong|reliable}}, {{strong|intellectually independent}} of each other, and {{strong|independent of the subject}}.

  • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

  1. {{cite news |last=Liu |first=Qingqing 柳庆庆 |date=2010-02-23 |title=《团圆》获柏林银熊奖 编剧金娜石狮媳妇 |trans-title="Reunion" won the Berlin Silver Bear Award, screenwriter Jin Na Shishi's daughter-in-law |language=zh |url=http://ent.sina.com.cn/m/c/2010-02-23/10412879993.shtml |newspaper=Strait Metropolitan Post |via=Sina Corporation |accessdate=2023-03-20 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20230320084223/http://ent.sina.com.cn/m/c/2010-02-23/10412879993.shtml |archivedate=2023-03-20 }}

     The article notes from Google Translate: "The reporter unexpectedly learned yesterday that Jin Na, the female screenwriter who left Berlin for Spain before the award ceremony and regretted missing the chance to accept the award, turned out to be the daughter-in-law of Shishiren from Fujian. She went to Spain to help her husband Cai Xiaosong prepare for his upcoming solo exhibition there. Yesterday, the reporter interviewed Ms. Jin Na by phone. ... In 2000, she interviewed the Berlin Film Festival for the first time as a film reporter, and in 2005 she attended the film festival as the editor-in-chief of the magazine "Film Story"."

  2. {{cite news |last=Li |first=Yuxin 李雨心 |editor1-last=Chen |editor1-first=Jingjing 陈晶晶 |editor2-last=Chen |editor2-first=Kangqing 陈康清 |date=2020-12-17 |title=名人堂·访谈丨《听见她说》成“文艺爆款” 总制片人金娜：让女性“独唱”汇聚为合唱 |trans-title=Hall of Fame·Interview丨"Heard Her Talk" has become a "literary hit" Chief Producer Jin Na: Let women's "solo" gather into a chorus |language=zh |url=http://gz.people.com.cn/n2/2020/1217/c361328-34479994.html |work=封面新闻 |via=People's Daily |accessdate=2023-03-20 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20230320083817/http://gz.people.com.cn/n2/2020/1217/c361328-34479994.html |archivedate=2023-03-20 }}

     The article notes from Google Translate: "Jin Na, producer and screenwriter. Her masterpieces include "Heard Her Talk", "Everyone Wants to Meet You", "Reunion", etc., and won the "Best Screenplay" at the Silver Bear Award at the 60th Berlin International Film Festival for "Reunion". ... Recalling the creative stage, Jin Na also called this work another "highlight moment" for herself. She has been immersed in the film and television industry for many years. "Reunion" written by Jin Na won the Silver Bear Award at the 60th Berlin International Film Festival The best screenwriter, as a producer, also has many masterpieces, but "Heard Her Talk" is still particularly special among them."

  3. {{cite news |last=Zhou |first=Ming 周铭 |date=2010-02-21 |title=银熊奖最佳编剧金娜：巅峰体验永远都在下一次 |trans-title=Silver Bear Award for Best Screenplay Jin Na: The peak experience is always in the next time |language=zh |url=https://www.chinanews.com.cn/cul/news/2010/02-21/2129458.shtml |newspaper=Xinmin Evening News |via=China News Service |accessdate=2023-03-20 |archiveurl=https://archive.today/2023.03.20-083437/https://www.chinanews.com.cn/cul/news/2010/02-21/2129458.shtml |archivedate=2023-03-20 }}

     The article notes from Google Translate: "Although Jin Na, the screenwriter of the movie "Reunion" and winner of the Best Screenplay Award at this year's Berlin Film Festival, left Berlin for Spain in advance, she still learned about the news of the award through the Internet, and expressed her gratitude for the award through the Internet immediately."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Jin Na ({{zh|c=金娜}}) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability".

  Through being the winner (with Wang Quan'an) of the Silver Bear for Best Screenplay at the Berlin International Film Festival for Apart Together, the subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Any biography, which says, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times".

  Cunard (talk) 08:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

::That is exact same interviews that were detailed above along with the 2nd class award. You have not added a single thing to the discussion. Interviews are WP:PRIMARY and don't establish notabilty. scope_creep^Talk 10:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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