Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jodi Levitz

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I don't think there's sufficient notability here. Doesn't meet the professor guidelines as an academic, and membership in the quartet (we don't have a page for that quartet) is not enough by itself. Shadowjams (talk) 02:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

• weak keep given that I Solisti Veniti is a famous orchestra, and the recordings listed at [http://www.sfcm.edu/faculty/levitz.aspx], I think it probably meetsthe requirements. DGG ( talk ) 02:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
• keep I believe that the "professor guidelines" were not written with the musical academic in mind. There are a different set of qualities that make a music performance professor notable (performance career and the quality of the institution taught at being two important ones). Prof. Levitz is easily regarded as one of the top viola professors in the United States, and also maintains a residence in Italy where she is also known. STFine ( talk ) 10:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Normally the principal player (flautist, violist, etc.) in a major orchestra or ensemble, e.g. I Solisti Veneti is not notable (in the Wikipedia sense) unless they also have a significant performing and recording career as a soloist, independent of the ensemble. Ditto a music faculty member, unless they have been written about as such in multiple independent sources. Membership in a noted string quartet is different, but The Ives Quartet, is still pretty local and hasn't played in major concert halls. However, they've recorded one CD for Naxos which has been reviewed briefly [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/23/PKP3S5145.DTL&type=music here]. That might push the subject just over the keep line. I'm undecided.Voceditenore (talk) 13:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - I am also undecided so far but must point out that WP:MUSIC seems to be a standard that should (also) be applied here. Agreeing with Voceditenore, though: membership of a famous orchestra isn't enough to establish personal notability even if the person is a principal player. The recordings might just be enough but it really is touch and go at this stage. Also, her awards might tip the balance if they are truly important per #9 of MUSICBIO (though I am not convinced they are yet) --Jubilee♫clipman 14:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
• Weak Delete I have tidied up the article adding some important info from the primary sources and spent a few hours trying to source this article. However, I really am not seeing enough independent coverage out there. The Ives Quartet are getting some coverage (mostly previews of concerts as far as I can tell) but not enough even for them to get an article yet, IMO, let alone a member of the quartet. There are CDs available on Amazon etc featuring Levitz's performances but either they are on lesser labels (which don't yet have WP articles of their own) or she is simply performing as part of a group (e.g. [http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%22Jodi+Levitz%22+Erato&x=19&y=15 here]). There are [http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1273530616/ref=sr_gnr_fkmr0?ie=UTF8&node=&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=%26%2334%3BJodi%20Levitz%26%2334%3B several] CDs on the Naxos label, but I can't find any reviews of them. One of her CDs was played on ABC Classic FM for a while (e.g. [http://www.abc.net.au/classic/daily/stories/s630254.htm here] on the A M Giuliani Triple Concerto in E for two mandolins, viola and orchestra) but that still does not convince me that she is notable enough for a WP article. Maybe in few years (along with the quartet) but not now --Jubilee♫clipman 22:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - I have switched per Voceditenore's comments below. I forgot that I Solisti Veneti are certainly notable which means that she (Jodi not Voce!) passes MUSICBIO 6. The recordings are important, also, even without reviews and I have linked to a fair few above --Jubilee♫clipman 01:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per our musician standard guideline. Notability is not inherited. Eusebeus (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. There do appear to be reviews out there for the Ives Quartet, mostly on subscription sites so I can't read them, but individual members of string quartets far more notable than this one do not generally merit articles of their own. Third-party coverage of her solo work might indicate notability, but I have not been able to find any. --Deskford (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
• Comment In the classical pedagogy world (or the music conservatory world), I would posit that there are qualifications for notability that don't appear in WP:MUSIC. I have already mentioned that membership of a famous faculty is, in itself, notable. There is also no allowance for the fact that, in the classical pedagogy world, producing successful students plays a large part in reputation/notability. I suppose my main argument for keep is that I believe that conservatory faculty are different from both traditional academics and traditional musicians. They follow a different path to notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.101.52 (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
• WP:V: "verifiability, not truth". That's usually why I !vote delete or keep, actually: if there are no indepentent WP:RSs (as here), we can't have an article; if there are independent RSs, we have a suggestion of notability. Further investigation is required in the latter case --Jubilee♫clipman 21:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
• Weak keep. I'm not convinced by the argument that faculty at top conservatories are automatically notable; we need to have something verifiable to say about them. But Google news archive search found nontrivial coverage of her or reviews of her performances in the Trinity Tripod (a student newspaper) [http://media.www.trinitytripod.com/media/storage/paper520/news/2006/11/28/Arts/Classical.String.Quartet.Performs.At.Hamlin.Hall-2510228.shtml], Buffalo News [http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/BN/lib00141,118B004FE3945660.html], Los Angeles Times [http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-09/entertainment/ca-49_1_james-galway], San Francisco Classical Voice [http://www.sfcv.org/arts_revs/noevalley_11_25_03.php], San Jose Mercury News [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1262477C135B69F0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM] [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=114BD532B45D1720&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM], [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1192B6A7E4327EA8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM], and Sacramento Bee [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SB&p_theme=sb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB0D95F0AC56BE4&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM]. I left out the ones that were just concert announcements, and one human interest story about her car getting towed when she parked it illegally after arriving late for a performance; not all of these have enough text free online to be sure, but I think they all say something nontrivial about her specifically and not just her quartet, at least a sentence about one of her performances. I think that's enough for WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
• Weak Keep According to criterion 6 of WP:MUSICBIO "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." I Solisti Veneti is certainly notable, and the Ives Quartet just about scrapes notability via the reviews. Voceditenore (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:*Comment I think she also passes via criterion 5: "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." She is a soloist on the Hummel recording for Dynamic Records, which may not have a WP article yet, but is a very well-known Italian label recording rare repertoire. Its recordings appear in many, many opera articles here and in some singer articles as well. Plus there's the Naxos recording of the Quincy Porter string quartets, one for Albany Records [http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AR&Product_Code=TROY1064-65] and several on Erato Records where she is one of the soloists. Voceditenore (talk) 16:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Hm...you make a good case actually, V. I'm still on the delete side of the the fence, though, simply because I can't fnd the sources (beyond Amazon, and various primaries) --Jubilee♫clipman 17:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

::::The cds don't have to be sourced, only the serial number is needed, although it's nice to find reviews for them as well, and I'm pretty sure they can be found. Here's [http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page/June%201986/69/759726/BAROQUE+MANDOLIN+CONCERTOS.+aUgo++Orlandi%2C+bDorina+Frati+%28mndl%29+b+Jodi+Levitz%2C+%28va%29%3A+I+Solisti+Veneti++Claudio+Scimone.+EratoConifer+digital+N+U+M75248+CI+MCE75248+CD+ECD88165. one] ("splendid viola soloist"). She only needs to meet 1 of the criteria. Voceditenore (talk) 17:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• Keep per User:Voceditenore. The subject does seem to pass WP:MUSICBIO (per above) after some looking into. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

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