Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Barnes (manager)

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Not seeing notability here. Managed in the minor leagues for a few years, fails GNG. Wizardman 15:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete unless anyone out there wants to add "awesome 19th century mustache" to WP:NSPORTS. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Recanting my delete, just gonna not vote. I didn't fully take into account the issues of sources in the 19th century, few of which are easily obtained. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Comment Are people voting delete because of a lack of sources or because sources for the claims in the article still wouldn't pass GNG? If this guy did, indeed, organize a couple of early professional baseball leagues and manage in the minors for about a decade, it's almost impossible to believe sourcing wouldn't exist that would get him over the GNG hump. Those sources simply wouldn't be easily found via the internet. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep I'm leaning towards agreeing with Bbny-wiki-editor's argument. Alex (talk) 04:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm inclined to say keep because this guy seems to have been somewhat accomplished... his involvement with the original Western League particularly... but I'm a bit concerned by the articles similarities to [http://www.washelli.com/wordpress/2010/04/john-sloan-barnes/]. It seems to be a copyvio of the text from his tombstone. Spanneraol (talk) 14:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - This is an example of why we really need to differentiate minor league inclusion criteria between today's development leagues and early professional baseball, where minor leagues had much more regional importance and were not merely development leagues, and being well prior to the internet, sources that existed are far more difficult to find. In any case, for this subject there is some coverage of his importance at least [http://www.spokesmanreview.com/indians/century/storytemplate.asp?ID=oralhistory1 here], [http://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn83045782/1915-09-26/ed-1/seq-24.pdf here] and [http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=18920129&id=V6ZXAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yfMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6543,1011600 here (the section "Spokane in the Laegue")]. Possibly [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/68003453/ here too]], based on the Google search snippet, although it is behind a pay wall. Rlendog (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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