Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Ellis Stewart

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• Delete. Unreferenced, unable to establish notability from web sources. Original article seems to have been created from a family tree. WWGB (talk) 05:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —WWGB (talk) 05:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - I've found some articles that mention the man - [http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5928818] and [http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8422602] - they can verify that he lived in Prahran, and that he was a member of the Humane Society and a city auditor, but not that he was the founder of said society. If this can be verified, it would probably be a "keep" (the non-existence of Victoria Humane Society notwithstanding). If not, it's hard to see notability in the existing sources.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:*Comment again - Apparently the Victoria Humane Society later merged to become RSPCA Australia, which would make the VHS a notable organisation.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not so sure about this connection between VHS and RSPCA. The VHS was established to acknowledge human bravery. It's a long way from animal welfare. There is a different [http://humaneworld.com/directory/animal-shelters/canada/british-columbia/250/victoria-humane-society.html Victoria Humane Society] which is based in Victoria, Canada. WWGB (talk) 07:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:::[http://www.rhsa.org.au/ Found it]. It's now known as the Royal Humane Society of Australasia. Its history page makes no mention of a John Ellis Stewart. Looks like the founder was a John Wilks. It seems that Stewart was a member of, but probably not the founder of this society. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 11:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete, no sources and non notable. Heiro 18:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment I found "Resuscitation in its earliest form first came to Australia via Englishman John Ellis Stewart, who bought the work of the Royal Humane Society in England with him when he migrated in 1874." and "Stewart established an Australian branch of the Royal Humane Society and developed a manual containing 'Directions for Restoring the Apparently Dead'" in a media release "Media Release: The Royal Life Saving Queensland", 28 October 2005

::Then we've probably got enough to verify him as a "founding member" of the society, but the conflicting information regarding whether he was "the founder" leads me to favour merging to Royal Humane Society of Australasia.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• I've gone ahead and merged him into a one-line reference in Royal Humane Society of Australasia. I found a reference that he was a primary agitator for the society to become nation-wide, which warrants a mention in the society's article. However, I don't think he's notable enough for an article in his own right. I guess the question is does this remain a plausible search term? It's doubtful - he doesn't even get a mention on the Society's own history page. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
• Redirect I've seen no one supporting an article for Stewart. Thanks to the good work by Yeti Hunter he now has a place in the article for Royal Humane Society of Australasia. since there is no support for a stand alone article and he is mentioned in that page a redirect is the right result here. duffbeerforme (talk) 16:12, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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