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Promotional author biography. No evidence for ntoability ofeither him or his books. DGG ( talk ) 10:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:25, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:25, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. The young man is featured in [https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/golden-rule-of-enterprise-proves-a-winner-in-us-1.684780 Irish Times] as seen in the citations. He's also on [https://informa.com/media/press-releases-news/latest-news/john-golden-named-as-head-of-omega-performance/ this] and [https://chiefexecutive.net/what-ceos-need-to-know-about-hardball-negotiating/ this]. This takes care of WP:GNG and WP:BIO. More citations are needed anyway. Camron6598 (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
• Weak delete. When we [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Golden_%28businessman%29&type=revision&diff=899413875&oldid=899019283 remove] the auto-bio/promo/NOTLINKEDIN stuff that the nominator noted as concerns (including the unsupported claims and unattributed POV about the subject being a "renowned author" or a "sales and marketing thought leader"), we are left with three potential notability guidelines under which the subject might be considered. The first is WP:NAUTHOR. And, respectfully, publishing two titles (both seemingly released only at least one of which released primarily as Amazon/ebooks) doesn't meet the threshold of a "significant or well-known work or collective body of work". The second is WP:NCORP (and related guidelines applicable to businesses and business people). Here, WP:INHERITORG would seem to apply. In that, while the subject may have reached senior positions in several businesses, that doesn't confer notability by default. The third and final is WP:GNG. And, while the contributor above points to a single Irish Times piece (of which the subject is the primary topic), a single bio piece isn't enough to meet SIGCOV. The other links/etc offered fall well short (in that they are either not independent of the subject or the subject is not the primary topic. Or both.) That the subject would seem to be reasonably well known to people familiar with SPIN selling or other similar techniques notwithstanding, I'm not seeing enough to meet the criteria of the project.... Guliolopez (talk) 22:04, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Guliolopez, Thanks for your vote and comments. I made further updates on the page after discoveries. His first book titled "Winning the Battle for Sales" was first published in hardcover by McGraw-Hill. Here are the supporting citations:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/management/sales-tips-from-battle-grounds-big-and-small/article4616314/

https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwbooks/article/Huthwaite-CEO-and-President-Launches-New-Book-on-Winning-the-Battle-for-Sales-20130228

https://smallbiztrends.com/2013/10/winning-battle-sales-sales-book-review.html

Moreover, I found the man featured on Chicago Tribune here https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-xpm-2012-07-24-chi-job-cold-call-20120724-story.html. Also the amazon links are removed to further neutralize the references. Judging from the above, notability on the subject is established. Silika. O. Silika ^{talk} 10:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

:*Comment/reply. Hello. A couple of quick comments. Firstly, why does your user signature link to the user page of a different user? That is highly unusual, and heightens the COI, PROMO, PAID and other related concerns raised by the nominator. And indeed by other editors on your (main?) user talk page. Secondly, while I may have been mistaken about the nature of the release of one of the two books, it doesn't materially address the concern. (That two books aren't a "significant or well-known [..] collective body of work"). Finally, the Chicago Tribune piece doesn't contribute to notability. The subject is not the primary topic of the piece, and is quoted (in relation to another topic) towards the end of the piece. My recommendation hasn't changed. Though, truthfully, my PAID/NOTHERE sensor has gone up two or three points on the dial. Guliolopez (talk) 10:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Draftiying. I don't understand your question. I'm lost here. Anyway. I've decided to draftify this and work more on it in the future to address the concerns raised and report later.Silika. O. Silika ^{talk} 18:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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