Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Lawler

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Non-notable academic. Apparently best known for creating a program which utterly fails even the general notability guidelines, also fails the academic notability guidelines. I would suggest merging the two, but I don't see how either are notable enough to warrant an article, even if combined. Inanygivenhole (talk) 03:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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• Merge or keep. The nominator presents no basis for their belief that Chomskybot "utterly fails" the notability guidelines. (On the contrary; it seems to be quite notable, with plenty of reliable sources.) If there is no evidence that Lawler himself is notable (and I haven't had time to do a detailed search myself—has the nominator bothered to do so this time?) I suggest the relevant parts of this article be merged into Chomskybot. —Psychonaut (talk) 20:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

::If you can produce the sources that you say exist for Chomskybot, I'd be more than happy to support Lawler's page redirecting to his bot. I can't find much on Lawler aside from a few university pages that don't do anything to establish notability. Inanygivenhole (talk) 21:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• Weak delete. [http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=EVnaTG4AAAAJ His citation record] seems too slim to support a pass of WP:PROF, but perhaps this is more because of the time in which he published than because of a lack of impact. Regardless, we need evidence of his impact to keep the article, and if not provided in this way then how? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
• Delete -- does not have citation count in CS to support passing WP:PROF#C1 on that basis and do not see other evidence in the form of awards, chairs, etc. to support a pass on PROF or GNG grounds. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 00:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• Inanygivenhole -- as elsewhere, your overall somewhat snotty tone concerning a subject you seem to know very little about, distinctly fails to impress. Anyway, what Lawler is probably most known for among linguists is actually his having a fairly high on-line profile during the 1990s, in a way that was not then too common among fully employed academic linguists. He really is not tied exclusively to the Chomskybot... AnonMoos (talk) 01:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

::Ignoring the childish personal attack (must I remind you of WP:CIVIL yet again?): the article itself said that he was "best known" for Chomskybot, and I wasn't aware that having a "fairly high on-line profile" made you pass WP:ACADEMIC... Inanygivenhole (talk) 05:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:::That's nice -- you seem to be on some kind of rampage against things peripherally connected with Chomsky (which looks rather suspicious to start with), and then when you choose to adopt a rather snide sneering jeering tone concerning subjects which you seem to know very little about, you are really not showing yourself to best advantage. AnonMoos (talk) 00:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

::::My edit history clearly reflects that I came across the articles while browsing (I was looking at other bots similar to Chomskybot) and then decided that several weren't notable or had questionable notability. Your ludicrous accusations of a "rampage against things peripherally connected with Chomsky" is unfounded and I once again encourage you to be civil and assume good faith. Inanygivenhole (talk) 07:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

:::::I'm sure you have good intentions at some level, but you would have been a lot less annoying if you had been less emphatic and assertive and superior in tone concerning subjects which you seem to have very little knowledge about.... AnonMoos (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::Have you done anything but complain? Inanygivenhole (talk) 02:02, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

• Delete. No independent evidence of notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC).
• Weak delete per David Eppstein. --Randykitty (talk) 17:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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