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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Anderson

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

=[[Jordan Anderson]]=

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This article makes this individual look as if he is a NASCAR champion. However, he is not a NASCAR driver and I cannot find a single reliable source that says he has ever won anything. Most of the reference material I can find show this individual to be heavily involved in commercial advertising, mainly for himself. The article does not contain a single inline reference, and as nearly as I can tell, it should be deleted immediately as an unsourced bio. Jarhed (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment There has been some edit warring regarding the state of this page. I recently tried to revert this page to a stub due to the fact that yes, he is at best a semi-pro racer. However, SPA's keep popping up to revert the page to the awful form that it is now. I would bet a lot of money that those SPA's work for Anderson's PR team (or is Anderson himself). I have tried to start discussion on the talk page regarding the issue, and have tried to solicit help from the BLP noticeboard and from Wikiproject Motorsports. However, the SPA's are intent on skirting discussion in order to revert to the article version that might as well be a press release. I know little about racing; I do know that the racing series this 18 year old driver is in The Legends Series is not considered the highest level of its sport, and I also know when an article is being hijacked by people with an agenda. Angryapathy (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

::Ordinarily I would say to AGF, but I saw the edit war and I didn't see any effort at all on the part of the original editors to address your concerns. Most of what these editors said to you was to stay away from the article.Jarhed (talk) 23:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment What needs to be done to help get this page in its correct version. I've witnessed this young man race several times and think this page is correct with the information.

http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/media/news/549233.html

http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/media/news/549392.html

http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/handler.cfm/article,display/art_id,534125/cat_id,41022?print=1

http://www.uslegendcars.com/racing_info/news/523273.html

http://www.thecolumbiastar.com/news/2009-04-24/Front_Page/Forest_Acres_star_moving_on_to_NASCAR.html

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=322482&FS=BUSINESS

Hope this helps!.....NCmotorsportsacc —Preceding unsigned comment added by NCmotorsportsacc (talk • contribs) 22:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC) — NCmotorsportsacc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

::Well it certainly does not help me. In the US, NASCAR is a very popular sport with a lot of press coverage. I would think that if this individual has ever won something, *anything*, we could find a mention about it in a newspaper somewhere. Please bring us a reliable source, just one would be nice.--Jarhed (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

:The "correct" version that keeps getting reverted to by the single-purpose accounts is, by Wikipedia standards, garbage, and does not belong in an encylopedia. Wikipedia is not a mirror for Jordan Anderson's website or a venue for his PR team to spread the word that a semi-pro driver exists. Angryapathy (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  • CommentMaybe you should consider the quote posted on your page...."Imperfection is OK."

--NCmotorsportsacc (talk) 22:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)— NCmotorsportsacc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

:: What is that supposed to mean?Jarhed (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  • 'Comment Please look at the links I posted. One is from the Charlotte Observer, another from the Columbia Star Paper, and at last the Charlotte Motor Speedway website, where it clearly states the individual had won the second championship. See here [http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/handler.cfm/article,display/art_id,534125/cat_id,41022?print=1] This website is the Official Website of the track the NASCAR drivers race on. The Wiki page does not state he races NASCAR, rather is an up and coming driver.

--NCmotorsportsacc (talk) 23:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC) — NCmotorsportsacc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

:: Hi, I see that he won a race, what I can't find is anything about that race anywhere except at the track where it is run. Do you have anything about the notability of the race? And also, I can't find a reference to the Charlotte Observer, which would be nice. The Star is a weekly and it might be ok if there were more refs than just that one.Jarhed (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

  • 'Comment My apoligies, I realized I left out the link. [http://www.thatsracin.com/2009/04/16/6836/thatd-be-real-utility.html]. This site is the motorsports powered online site of the Charlotte Observer. Also here [http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/features/08/12/inside.nascar.summer.shootout.series/index.html] is a link to an article about the series in general.

--NCmotorsportsacc (talk) 02:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC) — NCmotorsportsacc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

:: Thank you very much for providing those. I will leave it up to other editors to decide if this individual meets notability requirements.--Jarhed (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:Athlete. No evidence subject competes at the "fully professional level of a sport" or "at the highest amateur level of a sport" --TreyGeek (talk) 18:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is a crass, self-serving puff piece for a very junior driver, whose only achievement to date is to win an amateur, regional, pay-per-drive race series. The only references provided so far are for commercial operations linked to said race series or to the driver; small, local newspaper websites (and they will print anything if it has a local connection); and verbatim reprints from the article subject's own press releases. He isn't a professional, he isn't nationally known (let alone internationally), and his achievements to date are fairly mediocre. Do we run articles about every 18-year-old who wins the Formula Ford Festival (a far more intensely fought series than those this young man has competed in)? No, because they aren't yet notable outside of their own sphere of reference. As he professes deep Christian faith, perhaps he and his PR department ought to ponder on the text of Matthew 5:5 and stop cluttering up the web with this hubristic nonsense. Pyrope 22:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete The first comments don't have it right according to what the article says right now. He has never had anything to do with NASCAR on either the local or national level - he races on a dirt late model touring series that I never heard of -- and I've written lots of content about regional touring series. What he won was a local to possibly regional race at a track that happens to host a NASCAR race - on a small short track at their facility. The series that he won in (legends car racing) is a local level. Don't let the Pro part fool you - it's the better amateur drivers from a limited scale. I did the second most number of edits to the legends cars article for the record [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Legends+car+racing] and took a bunch of the pictures. Pyrope said it right - this is a very junior driver. Thanks for the link to this AFD at WikiProject NASCAR so we can shed light on the situation to people for who don't understand the level of racing. If Humpy Wheeler is right and he becomes a NASCAR driver, then we can add him and use a small amount of the current content. Right now it needs to be deleted. Royalbroil 03:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable driver. Clearly an article created for promotional purposes by someone with a conflict of interest. Readro (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

:*Your persistence makes me smile. A brand new account, with edits only to the article in question, and most of those edits being to insert yet more spurious references (three that are directly controlled by the subject or his associates, one that doesn't even mention the subject, and one listing for the race track that operates the pay-per-drive races that the subject claims as a major achievement), that doesn't look suspicious at all, oh no. Pyrope 14:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment--This article has changed quite a bit since it was nominated for deletion. Here is what it looked like when it was nominated, along with a typical revert comment: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Anderson&action=historysubmit&diff=347666081&oldid=347166638].Jarhed (talk) 07:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.