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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph J. Greenberg

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No predjudice to recreation is more substantial RS are found Fritzpoll (talk) 16:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

=[[Joseph J. Greenberg]]=

:{{la|Joseph J. Greenberg}} ([{{fullurl:Joseph J. Greenberg|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph J. Greenberg}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

  • Non-Notable. Ling.Nut.Public (talk) 00:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. I've found a NYT obituary ([http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB061EF83E581A7B93C5A8178DD85F478685F9]) which confers some degree of notability, but probably not enough for an article by itself. Given dates in the article, this is clearly a different person to the sculptor Joseph J. Greenberg (also from Philadelphia), who does appear to be notable ([http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=PI&s_site=philly&p_multi=PI&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB2A1C3358FF963&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM] [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=PI&s_site=philly&p_multi=PI&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB298D12DA7BB4C&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM]). JulesH (talk) 09:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment For the record, I was the IP user who removed the speedy tag. Apparently, per the message I got from the prod'er, IP users such as myself are not allowed to do this. (As a side note, if someone will kindly post on my talk page the guideline that indicates this, I will stop).
    I did so because there appears to be some notability for the subject as evidenced by, for examples, serving as president of the Philadelphia City Planning Commission and [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Greenberg+elementary+school+philadelphia&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= having a school named for him]. My rationale for removing the speedy tag was based purely on this - I felt it necessary to get community approval for the deletion. I have no agenda on this matter and no ties to the subject or the prod'er.74.69.39.11 (talk) 10:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

::For the record, anyone but the article creator is allowed to remove a speedy deletion tag on an article. However, if the tagger has solid grounds to believe the IP and the article creator are the same person, a sockpuppetry case may be initiated. But there is quite simply no reason to believe that is the case here, nor did the person who gave you the warning expressed any concerns about that. So the warning you received was out of line. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 11:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment Full Times obits are enough to make someone notable, but this was 42 words long only.DGG (talk) 18:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete - marginal notability; with more references provided, I could be convinced to change to 'Keep', but as it is I don't think he quite passes the notability test. It's a borderline case, though. Robofish (talk) 22:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Really weak keep due to 42-word Times obit, common name, has a school named after him: maybe notable. Bearian (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - Though he had an elementary school named after him (as a longtime member of the Board of Public Education who seemed to have contributed greatly to his community this isn't surprising), he still doesn't meet the notability guidelines for people WP:Notability_(people) or the more general guidelines for notability WP:Notability. Teleomatic (talk) 02:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Simply delete' Athos, Porthos, and Aramis (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment. Having a school named after someone is not necessarily an indication of notability for that person. I went to a grade school that was named after the priest of the local Roman Catholic parish, a man who was virtually unknown outside the neighbourhood.

    I can also say something about a middle school, in the same area, that was named after someone who became notable only long after that school was named after him, and his claim of notability is that he was the father of the current mayor of Laval, Quebec. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep all of the pieces together suggest notability in his time....and notability is timeless. Times obit is the clincher. 7triton7 (talk) 05:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - minor local figure fails any test of notability. 42 words in the NYT is not substantial coverage. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.