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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judith Holofernes

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Baseball Watcher 01:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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No indication of notability, beyond membership in a band which already has its own WP page Perchloric (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Keep, if you check the page at de.wikipedia: [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Holofernes], there's more than enough reliable sources which would indicate notability. It would merely take someone with the German knowledge and will to translate to bring much of it over to en.wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep for exactly the reasons mentioned above. I will go through the German sources later and bring some across. A13ean (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment OK, but much of the German page (based on Google translate) seems also to be trivia about her birth, life, name, etc. Quote from WP:BAND: members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band. I looked at a few of the sources and it's not clear that they establish she has done notable things independent of the band "Wir sind Helden". Perchloric (talk) 02:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:03, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Keep. This is a silly situation because she is actually at least as notable as the band whose "front woman" she is, although possibly not independently of it. I think the German press generally treats Wir sind Helden as an appendage of Judith Holofernes. But in any case it's always Judith Holofernes who appears in talk shows as a talk guest, not the entire band ([http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/videos/ndrtalkshow618.html example]; the clip, from a state broadcaster, shows 15 minutes of discussion about her life). Hans Adler 15:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:PS: I am not at all interested in modern music, but I became aware of her (not the band!) when Bild asked her for a critical statement (about Bild) that they would use for advertising, she rejected that in very strong terms, and then Bild published her letter as an advertisement in Die Tageszeitung. This was all over the German media, and I am not sure that it involved the band. Hans Adler 16:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment If this is true, it should be easy for someone who reads German to add sources to the article making it clear that she is notable in her own right. Perchloric (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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