Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juliet E. McKenna

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For being such a prolific author, McKenna seems to live in a black hole as far as sourcing goes. Almost no GNews hits (just brief mentions or quotes), and the majority of what I'm finding on normal GSearch is interviews or one-paragraph bios along with a list of her works. I'm just not seeing any evidence that WP:AUTHOR (or WP:GNG) is met. I am happy to be proven wrong, though. Primefac (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Under WP:Author she has, as evidenced by the list of titles and her publishers, created a collective body of work which has had independent reviews. Also she is well known in the genre and well regarded, frequently invited to conventions as a guest. The first search I did using the links above returned results including nominations for awards for her work.Antiqueight (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

• Keep She's written fifteen novels and a load of short stories, all published by reputable publishers, and is well known in the SF fan community as a regular invited guest, occasional convention organiser and former Clarke Award judge. -- Nicholas Jackson (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Juliet E McKenna was awarded the Karl Edward Wagner Special Award at the British Fantasy Awards in 2015, in acknowledgment not only of her literary works but also her work in campaigning against the effects of VATMOSS on small traders and independent publishers and authors. http://www.julietemckenna.com/?cat=48 http://www.britishfantasysociety.org/british-fantasy-awards/bfawinners/ There are also more recent works to be included in the bibliography, including a collection of short stories and a new Urban Fantasy novel. http://wizardstowerpress.com/books-2/books-by-juliet-e-mckenna/the-green-mans-heir/ http://wizardstowerpress.com/books-2/books-by-juliet-e-mckenna/shadow-histories-of-the-river-kingdom/ 82.35.151.6 (talk) 14:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)Steven Poore

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• Keep – Believe she falls well within the guidelines; 1, 3 and 4 established under Author to be included here at Wikipedia. ShoesssS ^Talk 14:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
• :My concern is that I'm not seeing any evidence of this. Primefac (talk) 14:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

:::Where did you look, she's mentioned by several newspapers, reviewers, associates etc Antiqueight (talk) 14:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

:::Comment – Is Ms. McKenna in the same rarified atmosphere as a J.K. Rowling, no. But she is well respected in her field, received a prestige award and is a sought after speaker and judge in her specific genre, along with being covered in enough secondary, independent reliable sources to qualify for inclusion here at Wikipedia. ShoesssS ^Talk 14:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

• Keep – Believe that given Pat O'Shea only wrote three books in her lifetime (only one of which was of any note) and Juliet E. McKenna has written significantly more than that, and more regularly, and is still writing, then there shouldn't be a problem. I have no problems finding her articles, and if others have a problem then maybe it's not on her to sort out; it's not as if Pat supplied evidence...http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9638283.Science_Fiction_convention_Eastercon_heading_for_Bradford/ DokiChan ^Talk 17:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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• Keep popular author. In light of Primefac's reasonable point, I did add a bit of literary criticism form the reviewer for the Financial Times to the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I am not going to register a !Vote in this discussion, mainly because I know Juliet a little. But I observe that, with the exception of {{U|Shoessss}}, not one of the "Keep" comments above attempts to address the special meaning of "notability" as used by Wikipedia, which is about what has been written about the subject, not what the subject has done. Stephen Poore has mentioned some things she has done, but none of the references he gives are independent. Shoesss is arguing based on the alternative criteria specified in NAUTHOR; but they too require (independent) references, which have not so far been forthcoming. --ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

::Please look again. I have both argued under a policy point and updated her page with reliable sources showing her to have notability. If you have an issue with sources there please let me know so I can find something else or discuss the point specifically.Antiqueight (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

::This is why I added the Bradford Telegraph and Argus post but it appears to have gone to the bottom of this set of comments. If someone could make sure that goes in the right place...? DokiChan ^Talk DokiChan (talk) 06:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

:::I've done this, thank you for looking. (BTW keep of course, passes WP:NAUTHOR). Thincat (talk) 09:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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