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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KCTJ

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. the only objection/rationale from the nominator towards deletion has been resolved. Keeper | 76 21:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

=[[KCTJ]]=

:{{la|KCTJ}} ([{{fullurl:KCTJ|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KCTJ}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

  • Delete. Only one current link available. The other is a redlink. Unless the other article is created soon, this disambiguation page should be deleted. Kayau (talk) 05:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • To quote John 16:24, "ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full" - Dravecky (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Redirect to West Georgia Regional Airport, the other KCTJ doesn't appear to be notable. snigbrook (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

*Delete - Even if the other article is created, this DAB is still unnecessary. The non-low power KCTJ would obviously be the "primary" topic, and could have a hatnote linking to the other page. A DAB is only recommended when there are 3 or more subjects. -- Atamachat 16:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep - Changing my vote, if a 3rd usage of the acronym is valid then a DAB makes sense. It doesn't even have to be an article if it is notable enough for mention, and it seems to be. -- Atamachat 16:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep (disclosure: I was the creator of this disambiguation page, and remover of the prod tag). Licensed radio stations are generally held to be notable so, whether the article is created soon or several months from now, it's a valid redlink. The ICAO code is a tertiary identification for the aiport (the actual name of the airport being primary and the IATA code secondary), while the call sign of the radio station (and correct name for the article) is KCTJ-LP. As a result, neither usage is primary, and so disambiguation is appropriate. Despite WP:Otherstuffexists being a poor argument, this is also standard practice for disambiguating between a radio or television station with a call sign that includes '-FM', '-LP', or '-TV' and an airport, organization, or other situation where a code or abbreviation associated with them is the same as that base call sign. Mlaffs (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Psst: If by some miracle the radio station article is created, it can be included in a hatnote on the airport article. Tavix |  Talk  18:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

::*{{xt|If by some miracle…}}? A little snarky, no? Anyway, please see below. Mlaffs (talk) 19:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::* I was more alluding to the saying that miracles happen every day... Tavix |  Talk  19:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Redirect to the airport. While the radio station may be notable, if it is created it can be a hatnote. Tavix |  Talk  18:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Changing vote to Keep per Mlaffs and Dravecky's links. Tavix |  Talk  02:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment Another member of the radio stations project has created the KCTJ-LP article; a stub at this point, but it includes an infobox, and it's properly referenced and categorized. Based on this, the original rationale for deletion is moot. As for hatnote versus disambiguation page, I laid out my thoughts in my "keep" comment above. Mlaffs (talk) 19:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:* And I say hatnote because looking on Google almost every single page refering to "KCTJ" is for the airport. Tavix |  Talk  19:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

::* True, but that's not the main test for me. However, if you dig through the first 3 or 4 pages of Google hits, you'll find that another usage of KCTJ crops up which could realistically be linked from this dab page as well. KCTJ is an initialism used to identify a Knight Commander of the Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani, about which I've learned more in the last five minutes than I'd have cared to know in my lifetime. That could make this a three-way dab, but I'd never make such a change while this debate is ongoing. One more thought, and then I'll shut up. From my experience of cleaning up incoming links to disambiguation pages just like this one, I can attest that maybe twice out of every thousand links I've cleaned, the intended target of the link is the airport. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the person creating the link intended to point to the radio or TV station. Mlaffs (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::*That seems logical. Maybe it is best to leave it as a dab in case new info comes to light. I'll change my vote... Tavix |  Talk  02:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Strong Keep as disambiguation pages exist for this exact scenario: two articles where neither is the overwhelmingly obvious choice to occupy the namespace. "KCTJ" (albeit with an -LP suffix) is the radio station's primary identification and the ICAO code for an article named West Georgia Regional Airport is merely a secondary or tertiary identification. Relative Google hitcount is not a factor in this decision. Dozens of similar DAB pages over many years show that precedent and consensus is to maintain exactly this sort of disambiguation page. - Dravecky (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Addendum: See KABE, KABY, KACB, KAMN, KANB, KASE, KAUN, KAZO, and... well, that's just the KAs. - Dravecky (talk) 20:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.