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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaali Sudheer

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - the sources produced have failed to convince the commentators that this person, worthy though he may be, meets WP:BIO. It should be mentioned that though the Gallery may well be notable this doesn't, in itself, confer notability on the curator. TerriersFan (talk) 02:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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I have very strong doubts that the curator of one or even many art exhibitions is notable. The art exhibitions may, of themselves, be notable, but the curator, surely, is not. Since I have these strong doubts doubts I am opening it up to the community for a formal deletion discussion. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

  • I have visiting the Muse Art gallery in Hyderabad and i have attended all the art events curated by Kaali sudheer. He is doing a fantastic community service in the areas of Art . helping the budding, young, women artists to show case their talent and build their careers in the art . i spoke to him in length and understood that we need to have a wikipedia page for him so that it will be of use for Artists who want to show their works and get benefited. As the gallery is a not to profit started by a big name like Marriott and Marriott have partnered with kaali sudheer. Thought it will be of great use for artists around the world to use this wonderful space and show their talent. I have given the external links of well known sources like US consulate of Hyderabad , Confederation of Indian Industry ( CII) , Yahoo News and well known news papers Hindu and postnoon etc.. Greg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregx1872 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I do not agree with your deletion as In India Esp in south India there is hardly any art appreciation. there are very few art galleries in Hyderabad and that too all galleries are commercial one. Kaali sudheer has stated this to promote artists supported by Marriott. Kaali Sudheer has been doing a good work in the area of art. i object your decision for deletion please=greag — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregx1872 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  • The points you make are good points about the gentleman and the art appreciation. However you need to see that Wikipedia, as an encyclopaedia, needs to include only articles that are notable and are verifiable. That is the reason for this discussion. If you can assert verifiable notability within the article the whole scenario changes. Please devite efforts to doing that. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment editors should note that Kaali Sudheer (Mopperthy) has previously been deleted via PROD, and that it is likely to be related to this article. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
  • The verifiable points that i can put forward here for the debate

:1.The press release by Marriott USA about his role . link is here : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Marriott-Hyderabad-Resort-iw-2589087370.html

:2. The US Consul General Hyderabad ( Govt. USA ) has partnered with him in various occasions and they have put this information on their websites . Link is here : http://hyderabad.usconsulate.gov/pr011411.html ( this is the biggest art show ever in India by US Artists link for that is http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/15/stories/2011011562450400.htm) and also pl visit : http://hyderabad.usconsulate.gov/pe09162010.html (This was for NDTV ( which is a well known TV channel in India ) to raise funds for Ladakh Flood victims ).

:3.As i mentioned earlier there is hardly an art and cultural activity in this part of country and that too all are of commercial ones. The efforts put b kaali Sudheer are note worthy . very recently he got a noted actor called kamal and did an art show called "my name is minnu " to raise funds for girl child education for underprivileged. the link is here http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/mynameisminnu.html

:4. Confederation of India Industry is a non-government, not-for-profit, industry led and industry managed organisation, playing a proactive role in India's development process. Founded over 117 years ago. they did a exclusive women artists show to help school children. link is here http://www.cii.in/PressreleasesDetail.aspx?enc=yRScwmDx5a/qIyyfy8vgiaKRuQCFeG1/VbK7hBx4TCqksVBe426IOzCxJiw35XD8Y9ENvpZxBX/oiZM5TAuMNg==

:Suddenly there is buzz of art and cultural activity happening in Hyderabad and eventually every art show will have some cause added and the society is benefited at large. If asked no one is ready to give money for charity but if sell paintings ( worth their money ) and that money goes to a good cause is really a good thought. may be i do not know how to put all of these in a proper format ( as i am new in this )

:and i strongly feel that he is great assest in field of art and doing a remarkable job . i agree it was previously deleted via PROD and that time also the same problem may be that how to place the things on the page so that it matches the requirements of the wikipedia standards

:Thx greg (Gregx1872 (talk) 03:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC))

:*That something is verifiable does not also make it notable. Here we require first and foremost notability which is also verifiable in reliable sources. Wikipedia does not care that something is good, or useful, or praiseworthy. It does not even care if something is true. What it requires are solid, notable, verifiable items. Your strong feelings need to be turned into actions to assert notability and to verify it, but not here. Do it within the article and come here to say that it has been done. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 15:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete :This person ,as claimed, may have contributed positively towards art,yet it is not a reason for notablility. WP:ARTIST / WP:BIO in general says that "person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" or "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record" as a criteria for any biography.I agree he is the curator of ,so called, art museum,but there are many others doing the same thing.So, what is the distinctive thing / contribution for which he should have a separate article? 70% of the article speaks about exhibitions at the gallery.But this makes the gallery notable not the curator.For me this person's most notable contribution is founding the art gallery / foundation (if we believe the article).But their are no independent reliable sources to verify this claim.Thus this article fails WP:RS,WP:N,WP:VERIFY and should be deleted. Vivekananda De--tAlK 13:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete as failing WP:NOTE and WP:BIO. This verifiable BLP can demonstrate the fellow exists and has performed valuable service in his arena of endeavor. Sources provided and found in a reasonable search don't provide assertion of notability, however. Bare mentions in art-related press and coverage in press releases don't pass the bar for a BLP. BusterD (talk) 14:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.