Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamran Talattof

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Years ago (in 2011), the article Kamran Talatoff was nominated for deletion and deleted following a proper review. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamran Talatoff. This article appears to be about the same person. I am nominating this article because its history predates the article that was deleted, and since they both appear to be about the same person, the same deletion rationale appears to exist. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: Should just be G4 UtherSRG (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

:: Comment {{reply|UtherSRG}} I considered that, but since it's been 12 years since the original AFD, I thought some consideration was due. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Fair enough. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Iran and Arizona. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per previous and this current nom Karnataka (talk) 19:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment: No consideration on Keeping or Deleting yet. CastJared (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• {{reply|CastJared}} Can I ask why you edited this page if you have no opinion? (This is a serious inquiry -- I'm curious if this edit somehow affects the AFD process overall or your interaction with this process.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• :Sorry, I'm not sure if I vote to keep or delete. CastJared (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• ::Then don't comment unless you have something constructive to add to the discussion. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete Fails WP:NPROF, let's go down the list
• :The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.: Can't really tell, they've published in a really small field but even then the citation count is low. That said if there's an expert in this area who can enlighten me on the notability within the field please ping me.
• :The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.: Looking at their CV I don't see anything
• :The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).: Not from what I can tell
• :The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.: Does have a few cross campus grants but nothing major.
• :The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.: Not a named chair
• :The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.: Not the president of an academic society
• :The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.: Not able to find anything
• :The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.: Not the chief editor of a major mainstream established academic journal.
• : If I've missed something please ping me. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 00:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
• I could find no academic reviews, which are usually a better indicator of notability than citations in the humanities, of Talattof's work. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC) (see below)
• Keep : Multiple independent reviews of at least two of his books. Have added to page. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC))
• So clear pass of WP:AUTHOR (Msrasnw (talk) 11:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC))
• :I don't know what was wrong with my previous searches, but I see those now. The subject passes WP:AUTHOR, which in the humanities implies a pass of WP:PROF#C1. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:NPROF. The person who loves reading (talk) 00:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

• Question: Does his being listed as the Elahé Omidyar Mir-Djalali Chair in Persian and Iranian Studies (here https://persian.arizona.edu/faculty) count as having a named chair and thus allow a pass of WP:PROF 5 ? (Msrasnw (talk) 22:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC))
• Keep As the person who nominated this article I should explain that I only did so because this article existed at the time that the prior AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamran Talatoff; same person, different spelling) was discussed, but apparently missed scrutiny due to an oversight at that time. Whether or not this article would have been retained at that time (2011), Talattof's notability appears sufficient now to retain the article. The many scholarly reviews of his writings, and the fact that he occupies a named chair (although one could question whether the University of Arizona consitutes a "major university") appear sufficient to pass WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: As the OP has just recently become a "Keep", give time for the "Deletes" to consider; first relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aszx5000 (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep per the information uncovered above by Msrasnw: He was given an endowed professorship at the University of Arizona in 2016, as Roshan Institute Chair in Persian and Iranian Studies [https://news.arizona.edu/story/endowment-expand-persian-and-iranian-studies-ua] and has since become Elahé Omidyar Mir-Djalali Chair in Persian and Iranian Studies, clearly passing WP:PROF#C5. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• :PS I note that there are WP:AUTOBIO issues in the edit history (not so much in the current version of the article). They are not a reason for deletion, and if necessary can be handled by protecting the article from being edited by the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Relisting after nominator's change of opinion. COI issues still need to be dealt with but that can be handled later if this article is Kept.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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