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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karmyn Tyler

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I could have closed this as NC or keep based on vote count, of course we don't do that. In particular, I discounted one argument which cited an explicit press release as going toward GNG. j⚛e deckertalk 18:32, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

=[[Karmyn Tyler]]=

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Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO at any point. Redirect to Star Search#Other performers or delete it. Karlhard (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete or redirect as per nom - fails guidelines. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 18:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete. Fails WP:MUSICBIO.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:54, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'll admit that some of the references are bad and smell like WP:REFBLOAT (the citation to a Wikipedia article, for instance, can go, it isn't helping anything). There are a few more of questionable independence or reliability, (YouTube, iTunes, IMDB...) but there are still two or three real citations. The substantial bio in [http://hotspringsdaily.com/former-hot-springs-native-to-appear-in-feature-film-candles/ this newspaper], and [http://business.wesrch.com/paper-details/press-paper-BU187QLRAGLTO-karmyn-tyler-the-2-time-grammy-nominated-artist-is-coming-up-with-her-new-show-on-october-22nd this] are the best. The second one also shows that Tyler has been nominated for a notable award twice, thus allowing her to pass WP:ANYBIO. She also passes WP:GNG given the sources (which are already in the article). Finally, I haven't checked whether this person meets MUSICBIO, but whether she does or doesn't is irrelevant as long as she meets a relevant notability guideline. --Jakob (talk) 16:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 07:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep — I don't normally work on musician articles so I'm not super familiar with WP:MUSICBIO. I do know that being nominated twice for a Grammy Award is a big deal and sure smells that it should make one notable. I know it would under many of the other biography policies. The references cited by {{u|Jakec}} don't exactly blow me away. The first is a local paper and the second is a press release which doesn't help establish notability. Still, I can't really get past the Grammy thing. Are there are less valuable Grammy Awards I don't know about? —mako๛ 21:56, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

    1. {{cite news |date=2007-02-22 |title=Tyler to appear in new 'Inspector Mom' movie |url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1062&dat=20070222&id=zbQkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KA8GAAAAIBAJ&pg=665,2206935 |newspaper=Grand Saline Sun |accessdate=2014-11-15 }}

      2. From the abstract at http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/24411434/tyler-appear-new-inspector-mom-movie[http://www.webcitation.org/6U5lQdVlG WebCite],

      The article reports that actress Karmyn Tyler will be appearing in the "Inspector Mom" movie of the week entitled "Kidnapped in Ten Easy Steps," which will be aired on March 8, 2007 at the Lifetime Movie Network in the U.S.

    2. {{cite news |date=2014-09-18 |title=Former Hot Springs Native to Appear in Feature Film 'Candles' |url=http://hotspringsdaily.com/former-hot-springs-native-to-appear-in-feature-film-candles/ |newspaper=Hot Springs Daily |accessdate=2014-11-15 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U5klx0XS |archivedate=2014-11-15 }}

    3. {{cite news |date=1998-01-28 |page=13 |title='True Love Waits' campaign comes to Clarksville |url=http://www.newspapers.com/clip/1293942/the_paris_news/ |newspaper=The Paris News |via=Newspapers.com |accessdate=2014-11-15 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U5jnq1ke |archivedate=2014-11-15 |url-status=live }}

    4. {{cite news |date=1995-06-20 |title=New Miss Louisiana says job just begun |url=http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0EB477DB749F3EE4/0D0CB57AB53DF815 |newspaper=The Advocate |location=Baton Rouge, La. |agency=Associated Press |accessdate=2014-11-15 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U5kBLpZk |archivedate=2014-11-15 }}

    5. {{cite news |date=1995-06-19 |title=Texarkana woman crowned Miss Louisiana |url=http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0EAD979E85045EC3/0D0CB57AB53DF815 |newspaper=Austin American-Statesman |accessdate=2014-11-15 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U5kPJsA0 |archivedate=2014-11-15 }}

    6. {{cite news |last=Rose |first=Elaine |date=1995-09-13 |title=State Hopping is Common Among Pageant Contestants |url=http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0EAEABB8E17A8503/0D0CB57AB53DF815 |newspaper=The Press of Atlantic City |accessdate=2014-11-15 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U5kVpKof |archivedate=2014-11-15 }}

    The last four sources are her involvement in the Miss Louisiana contest. I think that they, in conjunction with the Grand Saline Sun article and the Hot Springs Daily article, allow Karmyn Tyler to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 01:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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