Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khanyisa

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Can’t seem to find how the subject meets WP:NMUSIC. She lacks in-depth coverage. Sources say she’s a “rising star”. I think it’s a case of WP:TOOSOON for this page. Xclusivzik (talk) 09:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and South Africa. Xclusivzik (talk) 09:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• STRONG KEEP, in terms of 'the social media influcer', the subject was nominated and won an award at the 2022 Basadi in Music Awards for best social media influencer of the year, and has over 2 million followers online with accounts that has the quality of a verified account, and as a recording artist/musician it states [https://nowinsa.co.za/2023/entertainment/music/sa-amapiano-awards-2023-nominees-kabza-de-small-leads-with-9-nods/ here] and [https://m.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/480/235930.html here] that the artist is/was nominated for the [https://www.amapianoawards.com/breakthrough.php Best Amapiano Breakthrough Act at the South African Amapiano Awards].
  shelovesneo (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

::Having millions of followers or a verified account doesn't establish notability. Furthermore this is supposed to be a biography article, where did you get her birth date because the source you cited doesn't mention it? -Xclusivzik (talk) 20:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:::Oh yeah, that was my mistake but I'm a good mathematician and it didn't take me long figure 1+1=2.
Okay it states [https://www.thesouthafrican.com/culture/music/tiktok-khanysa-jaceni-mr-jazziq-amapiano-tiktok-sisonke-soft-ep/ here] that "the 26 years old..." and the article was published in 2021, and [https://www.tiktok.com/@khanyisa_jaceni/video/7150207643074841862 here] she was celebrating her birthday, check the dates and do the math genius. Why are we discussing birthdays and missing the point that the subject won an award and is now a nominee? Doesn't that say something about "notibility"?shelovesneo (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::::Nomination is fine, but she hasn't had coverage in media we can use for sourcing. She could be the next superstar, but without sourcing, we can't have an article. Oaktree b (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete promo BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Sources in article is are promo, and BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  08:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
• :Yeah, whatever delete it, idc. shelovesneo (talk) 08:41, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment The South African is a solid source, we'd need a few more like it though, the rest in the article aren't. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete That's about all the sourcing there is. I did a .za newspaper search, not much comes up. There's a 6 piece band from the late 90s with the same name, plenty of hits for them, nothing for this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: I just did a quick .za search. She has been covered at some length at IOL: [https://www.iol.co.za/entertainment/music/local/khanyisa-jacenis-new-ep-halfway-is-a-testament-to-never-giving-up-40bea730-bda7-4b6a-8f2b-336854f2ecee][https://www.iol.co.za/entertainment/celebrity-news/local/tiktok-star-khanyisa-jaceni-is-ready-to-take-amapiano-by-storm-a8b1b34d-acfa-49b5-b84a-8aaa46fa8065][https://www.iol.co.za/weekend-argus/lifestyle/tiktoksa-spilling-the-tea-with-khanyisa-jaceni-e0ab77a1-7133-4e9c-b476-f4c7cda13987] (the status of IOL tabloidy stuff is in question at the moment, but the third article is in the Weekend Argus). She has been interviewed by the Sunday Times: [https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2022-10-07-listen-tik-tok-star-khanyisa-on-almost-giving-up-halfway-in-her-career-to-releasing-music/]; covered in South African Glamour: [https://www.glamour.co.za/lifestyle/multi-talented-queenkhanyisa-jaceni-releases-second-ep-halfway-e8a0bb7c-e749-49ea-af53-76be4ec807b5]; covered at News24: [https://www.news24.com/life/arts-and-entertainment/music/tiktok-sensation-khanyisa-jaceni-releases-sophomore-ep-20221007]; and gets throwaway mentions in the Sowetan: [https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/entertainment/2023-03-08-we-are-taking-up-space-as-capable-female-deejays/][https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/2021-12-07-amapiano-racks-up-16bn-tiktok-views/][https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/2021-09-23-dj-oskido-to-commemorate-heritage-day-in-a-special-way/]. I don't know enough about music Wikipedia or the music world to have a stance on what this adds up to for notability purposes, but putting it out there that there is certainly a case that she meets WP:SIGCOV as reasonably applied to a South African subject. (See here for one list of sources that SA editors generally consider usable – it's biased towards political coverage but many of these publications are on there.) :::Jlalbion (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete !COMMENT. This is more PROMO. For the sources: IOL appears click-baitey, Times Live is barely half a page and is mostly promo for her song, GLAMOUR is ok, minimal coverage, basically just saying where she'll be. News 24 is literally a few sentences, with links to watch her videos, so minimal coverage at best. And the Sowetan are "throw away mentions". So one iffy/ok source, one trivial coverage, rest are meh. I'm not seeing GNG or NMUSIC. Perhaps if she charts or has a gold record we can revisit, it's been 2 yrs already, so nothing for now. Oaktree b (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete – my view of the sources above is that their coverage is quite WP:ROUTINE-ish (and promotional) and thus not significant. "Releases" this and "releases" that sources can acceptably be used to expand articles, but can't be used as notability indicators. Nythar (💬-🍀) 04:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete The sources provided don't meet the SIGCOV standard for living subject. Routine entertainment news. User:Jlalbion has presented links, but these are entirely interviews or bare mentions, not helpful for determining GNG on a BLP. BusterD (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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