Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kidson Force

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I have nominated this page for deletion because I believe it was created in error. The creator was referring to Kisdon Force in the same area on the River Swale, and I believe that Kidson Force does not exist. Mick Knapton (talk) 08:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

:It gets several hits from Google including [http://www.yorkshirewalks.org/diary02/diary50.html Yorkshire Walks] so appears to be correct rather than Kisdon Force which is further east. Keith D (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

:OK Keith, I think it is a typo in that article, as the photo labelled "Kidson Force near Keld" is actually of Kisdon Force (I've been there). Its a similar photo to the top one in the Wikipedia article for Kisdon Force taken by me showing the main cascade and the top one in the background. However if you think Kidson Force exists I respect your decision but it is certainly not marked on the large scale Ordnance Survey maps. Mick Knapton (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

:*This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
• Redirect to Kisdon Force as a likely misspelling. Note that the reference cited in the article uses the spelling "Kisdon." Deor (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
• Redirect to Kisdon Force per Deor. Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. These are two separate waterfalls. Kisdon force is at 54° 24′ 14.35″ N, 2° 9′ 26.26″ ;, Kidson Force is at 54° 24′ 4″ N, 2° 10′ 0″ W. No need for a redirect. Mjroots (talk) 09:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:Comment on the above: ::That co-ordinate for Kidson Force is almost 500 metres South West of the River Swale on the B6270 road near Thorns Farm, how can it be a waterfall on the River Swale with a co-ordinate of almost 500 metres away from that River. Try looking on Ordnances Survery Get a Map. Mick Knapton (talk) 09:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

::Reply: Using the coord link on the page, then following the Geograph link, it brings us [http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY8918100655 here]], just to the west of a small stream where I'd suggest that the waterfall is. Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:::Quite an interesting link that, it shows six photographs of Kisdon Force and one of "Kidston Force" which is obviously a picture of Kisdon Force. Why does the article say a "Small waterfall on the River Swale" if its on a small side stream. The photograph in the article does not look like a small side stream. Why not just admit it that its a spelling mistake. Ever been to Swaledale, I go there regularly. Mick Knapton (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I may have driven through Swaledale at some point. I was going by the coords given in the separate articles. I accept that I may be wrong here, needs a local expert. I'll ask at WP Yorkshire. Mjroots (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for the interesting discussion Mjroots. My final point at this time, is that if it does exist and is not shown on the large scale Ordnance Survey map it could be deemed as not notable and could be deleted on Notability. All the other waterfalls on the Swale around Keld are marked, even the small East Gill Force is marked as a "Falls". Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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• Comment- The link [http://en.eyeplorer.com/show/me/List+of+waterfalls+of+the+United+Kingdom here] suggests that Kisdon and Kidson Force(s) are two different waterfalls. Hitro 16:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

::Those entries are based on our List of waterfalls of the United Kingdom (which includes both names because of the existence of the article we're discussing here). All that the EyePlorer page suggests is confusion on Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 16:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

:::My Bad !!!! :( Hitro 16:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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