Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Yong-il (politician, born 1947)

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Fails WP:GNG, specifically the part stating that sources must be independent of the subject (two of the sources are official Web sites sanctioned by the respective governments of North & South Korea). No information can be found via a Google search (except an Indian government source), owing to the fact that multiple politicians share his name. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Korea. Shellwood (talk) 14:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. Deputy foreign minister clearly meets WP:POLITICIAN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

:I don't deny this. A position as high as "deputy foreign minister" is most certainly a notable title. However, I could not find a single reliable secondary non-governmental source outside of [https://www.mea.gov.in/Portal/ForeignRelation/koreadpr-english.pdf one that the Government of India created]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namethatisnotinuse (talk • contribs) 16:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

::The official sources confirm he held the post, so meets WP:POLITICIAN as I said. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:::Here's the key, though. 0nly a few sources that are independent of the subject can be found. All the sources I could reliably locate without the Wikipedia Library are not related to him. I consider this a permanent stub. Look at the sources. All of them talk about his passing. Notability is not temporary. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 19:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::::As WP:POLITICIAN says: {{tq|The following are presumed to be notable...}} -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not sure WP:NOPAGE would apply here, as one of the listed sources has some further information on his background, including that he was the recipient of the Order of Kim Il Sung, Order of Kim Jong Il, and Hero of the Republic. Additionally, we do not have any list of the deputy foreign ministers of North Korea. Curbon7 (talk) 19:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep.In addition to being deputy foreign minister of North Korea,He had a role in 2003 Six party talks and Japan-North Korea relationship. I will add the part on the article. {{cite web |url=https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20231002_19/ |title=Former North Korean party secretary in charge of international relations dies |date=2 October 2023 |website=Nihon Housou Kyokai |access-date=7 October 2023}}Paperworkorange (talk) 11:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Korea-related deletion discussions. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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• Keep. Passes WP:NPOL. While I can sympathize with the nominator, officially recognized WP:SNGs are there for a reason. They exist as an alternative path to determining notability. If a subject meets an SNG it doesn't have to meet GNG. While the sourcing isn't there to pass SIGCOV, it doesn't matter because the subject clearly passes NPOL.4meter4 (talk)

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