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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingball

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Magdalen College School, Oxford. until it can establish independent notability, there is no cause for an isolated article Fritzpoll (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

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:{{la|Kingball}} ([{{fullurl:Kingball|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingball}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Prod removed, thus listed for AfD : Non-notable school game Passportguy (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:DON'T DELETE The article fulfills all criteria for inclusion and precedent is set that games played only at one school can be listed (Eton Wall Game). Floreatm (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC) — Floreatm (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

:Keep for now The article has been created as part of a major rewrite of Magdalen College School, Oxford and we should see how this pans out before deciding whether it turns out to be best to merge it back there or keep it stand alone. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

::Comment For intermittent edits, a sandbox page should be used. For the article to be kept, it must demostrate that this game is notable, i.e. provide sources that demonstrate this. Passportguy (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

::Comment Note that this material is not new to Wikipedia; it has simply been split of from another page. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

::Three references now added to the article. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I agree with this in principle, but I see no more reason why the Eton Wall Game should be permitted to remain and not this. Floreatm (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

::::Mainly the economist article. If something like that exists for this game, I'd strongly support keeping this. Please see WP:N. What we are looking for are reliable sources on the game that aren't quite as "in passing" as the three listed. I suspect they may exist (perhaps in book form somewhere), but we need them. I'd take old yearbooks or some book about the history of the school as the in-passing references provide a fair bit of notability in my opinion. Others might want more. Hobit (talk) 23:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Merge back into the school. It is certainly verifiable, but I'm not seeing enough detail out there to write an article about and the references are fairly trivial. If someone can turn up a reliable source (even the official school website) that has some significant coverage of the rules or history I'd change to keep. But the rules need to be verifiable too if we are to include them in any detail. Hobit (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:I can contact the school to see if anything can be published about the rules of kingball? Would that be OK? Floreatm (talk) 10:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

::Sure, and if it meets the requirements of WP:RS and WP:N we will likely be in good shape. I'm a big fan of keeping articles like this, but we need more than we have at the moment. Hobit (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete. Gbooks returns noting on Kingball Magdalen, which I would expect it to do, for a game played since 19th century. Fail WP:V, which is our core policy, sorry. Power.corrupts (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:Gbooks seems to be missing most of the text of the main history of the school; I am trying to obtain a hard copy. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete with possibility of merge. Shadowjams (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mgm|(talk) 09:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete or merge. Every day there's another new "game played only at x school" entry. This game has the advantage of being much older, but that still doesn't it get it its own entry. Hairhorn (talk) 12:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:MADEUP. A merge back to the school would also be appropriate but I doubt this will ever have the notability for its own article. ThemFromSpace 16:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.