Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kinobe
=[[Kinobe]]=
:{{la|Kinobe}} ([{{fullurl:Kinobe|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kinobe}}&action=delete}} delete]) –
Band with no claim to notability. The article has existed for a while which is why I didn't speedy tag it. Bonadea (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:Nomination withdrawn because notability has been shown and verifiable sources have been provided. Thank you very much to those who helped improve it! --Bonadea (talk) 10:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I refute the claim that Kinobe are a band with "no claim to notability". Have a look at their Myspace and Youtube pages to see that they are still producing music and videos, and a new album is due to be released in January 2009 on the [http://suitemusique.com/ suitemusique] label. The band were inactive for some time, due to restrictions placed on them by a record company merger. In essence, they were retained in a contract by a label that was being taken over by another, and not allowed to release any songs with other record companies until the term of their original contract had expired. But that is no longer the case, as you would plainly see if you visited the aforementioned Myspace and Youtube pages.Kinobeoddjob (talk) 19:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::Please check out the criteria for notability on Wikipedia (WP:notability), and you will see that Kinobe probably doesn't yet satisfy it. Just wait until there is more significant coverage in third-party sources. Jeremiah (talk) 20:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
*Delete Only one [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/album-kinobe-631846.html review]. Fails WP:MUSIC. Jeremiah (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
*Delete: The criteria for a band is not satisfied. Law shoot! 21:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. The independent review is significant coverage, and there's another article [http://www.hotpress.com/archive/447147.html here] (subscription only). Their music has also been used in two films [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2234539/]. That's 2 criteria of WP:MUSIC met.--Michig (talk) 22:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:...and there's more coverage from The Independent [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/this-weeks-album-releases-710200.html here], [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/bbc-concert-musicians-to-chill-out-in-brixton-609904.html here], and [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/hey-hey-ndash-were-the-monks-music-for-paradise-839428.html here], and the BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/concertorchestra/news/news_5.shtml here]. A few of these are trivial but should give an indication of notability. Their music has also been used in television shows [http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/htbg2/programme_information/programme3.shtml] --Michig (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:...and there's another article [http://www.hotpress.com/archive/1557075.html here] (again subscription only), a review from MTV Asia [http://www.mtvasia.com/Review/CD/C2002031201.html here], and there's [http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2001/sep/22/artsfeatures.popandrock this] from The Guardian. And they've released 3 albums, 2 of which were on Jive Records, so that's now 3 criteria of WP:MUSIC met. Shall I stop there?--Michig (talk) 22:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::*Good work, Michig. Keep. Jeremiah (talk) 00:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed -- Keep. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 09:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 01:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
For the sake of all that is discussion, I don't see the band listed as a [http://www.zombalabelgroup.com/artists.html Jive] affiliate. As it stands, the article has no reliable sources, and the 'keepers' could turn this into a viable article. I've saved a few articles for deletion, but nothing I see with the diffs provided seems to be cut and dry. Law shoot! 06:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:They are no longer with Jive Records, so don't appear on the Jive website's list of current artists.--Michig (talk) 07:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:There are plenty of sources out there that confirm their album releases on Jive. E.g. [http://webitm1.inthemix.com.au/features/1293/Kinobe_chill_out_Downunder this feature], and [http://www.halo-17.net/reviews/index/Kinobe/Wide+Open/5531 this review]. Or check on Amazon.--Michig (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I'm new to this, or somewhat new to AFD, the second source is convincing. The first, I see as a blog. I do like the civil discussion, however. I think this is what makes WP so great. The article is poor. No doubt. Can your provide another source that affirms another album on Jive so I can strike my vote? Law shoot! 09:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Addendum, I'll be more than happy to rewrite this article if provided. Thanks. Law shoot! 09:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::The article is certainly poor and needs rewriting - I'll see if I can find a decent source for the album labels later.--Michig (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I did it from the ground up. I deleted it all yes, and rewrote it. I'm never about deleting if it can be saved. Law shoot! 10:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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