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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Contested prod. Article about a fanzine lacks the multiple instances of independent, reliable sources giving nontrivial coverage to demonstrate notability for a separate article. Some recently added trivia was sourced to a book to try to up the source count, but still fails in demonstrating the level of notability required for having its own article. DreamGuy (talk) 00:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak keep - The five reference seem to be independent but don't support notability. Keep if more reliable, verifiable and independent sources are provided Rirunmot (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:CREATIVE points 1, 3, and 4. It's on the low end of WP:N significant coverage unless I missed something.

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  • [http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/spec-coll/about/itemofthemonth/2008-05-lezombie.html University of Iowa] feature collection of the month for May 2008.
  • [http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/spec-coll/MSC/ToMsC800/MsC791/MsC791_horvatfanzines.htm Archived in the M. Horvat Collection] at the University of Iowa. (this is towards WP:CREATIVE point 4)
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=m3M4AAAAIAAJ&q=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0&ei=ej-vSqqPAqKIkASS8rm_Aw All our yesterdays] pages 124-125.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=ro1ZAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0&ei=ej-vSqqPAqKIkASS8rm_Aw The immortal storm] page 202 (it's not clear how long the coverage is there), and mentions on pages 240 plus 250.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=VT5aAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0&ei=ej-vSqqPAqKIkASS8rm_Aw The eighth stage of fandom] Page 114 documents evidence of recognition.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=sDFaAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0&ei=ej-vSqqPAqKIkASS8rm_Aw The Science fiction reference book] Page 95 Documents WP:CREATIVE point 3 and or 4.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=ZU1XAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=j0KvSvFahp6VBND3oJgD The encyclopedia of science fiction and fantasy through 1968] Google does not show snippet but it's evidence that the fanzine is getting included in print reference works.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=DRRlAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=j0KvSvFahp6VBND3oJgD Brave new words]
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=DRRlAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=j0KvSvFahp6VBND3oJgD Brave New Words] Entry in a Oxford University Press publication which has a good reputation as a [WP:RS]] and inclusion in the diction evidence of WP:CREATIVE point 4.
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=2HU4AAAAIAAJ&q=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=rEKvSvbOAaWQkASj_IWUAw In search of wonder] page 85 more WP:CREATIVE point 3 and 4.
  • [http://www.jstor.org/pss/4241309 JSTOR] says the 'zine is covered in Fanzine Research: Some Sercon Musings - I can access JSTOR tomorrow if needed.
  • Don't bother; it's a passing mention in a footnote. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=55wUHXiay-gC&pg=PA207&dq=%22Le+Zombie%22+-inpublisher:icon+Tucker&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=j0KvSvFahp6VBND3oJgD#v=onepage&q=%22Le%20Zombie%22%20-inpublisher%3Aicon%20Tucker&f=false The Cambridge companion to science fiction] - citation
  • The list continues including Science fiction, fantasy, and weird fiction magazines, The Visual encyclopedia of science fiction, The science fiction encyclopedia, Seekers of tomorrow: masters of science fiction, Hell's cartographers: some personal histories of science fiction writers, Science fiction: a teacher's guide and resource book, and A handbook of science fiction and fantasy: a collection of material acting.

: --Marc Kupper|talk 07:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Strong keep - this is one of the definitive fanzines, one of those which shaped the culture of science fiction. The list runs on and on because it's impossible to discuss science fiction of that era without Le Zombie. This is the fanzine in which the term "space opera" was first used by its coiner, Wilson "Bob" Tucker; the zine in which the first attested use of the term "fan fiction" occurs (albeit in the original rather than the modern meaning); etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC) (full disclosure: Tucker was a friend of mine, we corresponded by e-mail until a few months before his death; and I mourn his passing to this day)

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