Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lebanese people in Denmark

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I don't think this is necessary - we have List of Lebanese people in Denmark, surely we don't really need one for the general public? Nördic Nightfury 14:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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• Delete as this article is a non-encyclopedic cross category. See WP:NOTDIR #6. -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions}) 14:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Suprised the Holy Church of NPP didn't flag this one at the door. L3X1 My Complaint Desk
• Comment. Articles on minorities can be notable, but we need sources, and I don't see anything. Could consider a merge as a lead for List of Lebanese people in Denmark. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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• Meh. I was looking in :Category:Lebanese diaspora to see what we usually do. There we have e.g. Lebanese people in Egypt which is in better shape. In the subcat :Category:Lists of people of Lebanese descent‎ we have "List of Lebanese people in "-lists. Opening List of Lebanese people in Egypt I see three names listed, only two are blue-linked. If you asked me, these could just as well be listed in Lebanese people in Egypt. WP:CFORK and such; do we have a guideline on this? List of Lebanese people in Denmark is older than Lebanese people in Denmark, so you could merge a line from the latter to the former and delete the latter, and then move List of Lebanese people in Denmark to the main title Lebanese people in Denmark. I think that's a bit similar to Piotrus' suggestion, although as often before he says it with less verbosity. :) KAP03, I don't think this is a cross category situation, what makes you say that? L3X1, the article is not eligible for deletion under any WP:CSD criteria, {{Strikethrough|TTBOMB}} to the best of my belief. Which one were you thinking of? Anyway, as nom says, no need for both article and list. — Sam Sailor 19:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

:{{Small|{{u|Sam Sailor}} TTBOMB? I do not see that as a policy nor on the CSD page. What does it mean?L3X1 My Complaint Desk 20:54, 3 February 2017 (UTC)}}

::{{Small|{{Ping|L3X1}} Apologies, that was not good talk page manners, TTBOMB {{=}} to the best of my belief. — Sam Sailor 21:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)}}

:::{{Small|{{u|Sam Sailor}} Thanks, I totally wasn't thinking of it as a word abbrvieation like IMO. I was thinking that NPP might A10 it based off the existence of List of Lebanese people in Denmark and the fact that the article was so short. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 21:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)}}

::::{{Small|{{Ping|L3X1}} That's the reason why we should not use obscure initialisms. If I had met this article at NPP, it had probably not occurred to me that we had List of Lebanese people in Denmark, to be honest. If I had figured that out, I would just have WP:BLANKANDREDIRECTED as the title format looks valid, cf. the other articles in :Category:Lebanese diaspora, and that solution is a valid WP:ATD. If the rest of you insist on deletion, I think the world will still exist tomorrow, but I don't see any valid arguments per policy. — Sam Sailor 21:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC) P.S. I took the liberty and made our comments small, hope it's ok with you. Feel free to change, if you believe these last four comments of ours are pertinent to the AfD discussion.}}

::{{re|Sam Sailor}} I say that it is a "cross-category situation" as it is the non notable intersection of Lebanese people and people who live in Denmark. -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions}) 23:48, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

:::It is a defining characteristic, not a cross-category: notice the caveat at {{section link|Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations}} "unless the intersection of those categories is in some way a culturally significant phenomenon. See also Wikipedia:Overcategorization". Please further browse the category tree and notice the hundreds of articles in the format [Demonym] people in [Country]. — Sam Sailor 13:55, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

• Merge I think a merge would be better than a delete for the sake of consistency as per Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus's comment. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
• Merge to List of Lebanese people in Denmark and redirect. Looking further into this, List of Lebanese people in Denmark to me looks like a common stand-alone list that we usually keep per WP:LISTOUTCOMES pursuant to the guideline on categories, lists, and navigation templates quoting WP:AOAL. Articles one step up in the category tree, in :Category:Lebanese diaspora, with the title format Lebanese people in [Country] are main articles describing the history of migration. Lebanese people in Denmark might well be viable, but it would take an afternoon on the library to pull it together. WP:ATD is part of our deletion policy and should always be considered prior to deletion. In this case it is logically to apply WP:ATD-M, and I have merged a few sentences to List of Lebanese people in Denmark and added two sources. — Sam Sailor 13:55, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
• :If anyone wants to work on the article, parts of what is found in :da:Dansk-palæstinensere may be useful. — Sam Sailor 15:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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