Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lejla (Elvana Gjata song)

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Non notable song failing WP:NSONG Ceethekreator (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: this is one of a string of articles about this singer created by the same editor, and almost entirely sourced to music streaming sites. She does appear to be notable, but it might need someone who can read Albanian and knows something about reliable sources from the country to determine whether any of her songs and albums are notable. Even Elvana Gjata discography is almost entirely sourced to streaming websites. Richard3120 (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Hey @Richard3120, I can read and speak Albanian. In general, Elvana Gjata is among the most well-known musicians in the Albanian-speaking world and her song "Lejla" was her last release before working on her international studio album. However, it is difficult to find good sources in the Albanian language because there are very limited official Albanian websites of the musician's music labels, companies and so on. Therefore, international websites such as Tidal, Discogs, Apple Music etc are quite good sources on articles of Albanian musicians because they often publish everything on social media such as Instagram, Facebook or Twitter.--Lorik17 (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

::{{re|Iaof2017}} I know you can speak Albanian, as you are the creator of these articles. However, Tidal and Apple Music only prove the songs/albums exist, they don't show any notability. And Discogs is simply a listings database generated by users, so it's not considered a reliable source. What we are looking for are reviews or discussions of the records in independent, reliable publications such as newspapers or music magazines, or established music websites with professional journalists and editorial oversight. You can see the likely notability requirements for an article on a music recording at WP:NALBUM and WP:NSONG. If it can't meet at least one of these criteria, with verifiable sources to back this up, the article is likely to be deleted. Richard3120 (talk) 14:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I am not sure if I fully know how the notability of a song is established on Wikipedia. I am not involved in this or similar topics while editing. However, regarding the sourcing issue, there is a relatively large number of Albanian sources that have discussed "Lejla". Such sources as [https://balkanweb.com/elvana-gjata-publikon-lejla-me-capital-t-e-2po2/][https://lajmi.net/lejla-nga-elvana-gjata-capital-t-dhe-2po2-shenon-suksesin-e-radhes-fotovideo/][https://www.dritare.net/foto-elvana-gjata-zbulon-se-lejla-nuk-eshte-vetem-kenga-e-re-por-edhe/][https://prive.al/premiere-publikohet-lejla-nga-elvana-gjata-capital-t-dhe-2po2/][https://www.newsbomb.al/suksesi-i-jashtezakonshem-i-elvana-gjates-me-kengen-lejla-57473][https://www.lajmifundit.al/2016/11/03/fiksuar-pas-elvana/][https://www.gazetaexpress.com/roze-elvana-gjata-245287/]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

::I can't comment on the reliability of those sources, but the problem is they don't say very much – the first five are just announcements that the single is being released or has been watched a lot on YouTube, the sixth is a short story that a girl in America posted a YouTube clip of herself singing the song, and the seventh actually comes from before the song was released, noting that Elvana was teasing a possible new song on her social media. From everything I've found so far, Elvana Gjata really does appear to be a popular singer in Albania. But is there enough coverage for each of her records to make them individually notable enough for their own pages, that's the question. Richard3120 (talk) 14:14, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Richard3120}}, the sources are reliable. The song fulfills one, if not more, requirements of WP:NSONG:

:::1.Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.) [https://www.anabelmagazine.com/news/36202/not-classified-what-is-the-oldest-albanian-song-in-the-top-awards]

:::The song, as can be seen in the link, has set a record in Albanian music. However, merging this and any other similar article with Elvana Gjata discography or even Elvana Gjata itself would be, in my view, a more appropriate action. As I said in my previous post, I am not experienced in music articles, and I am just trying to help interested editors create a clearer idea about Elvana Gjata and the song. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

::::I've added new material in the article anyways with the song release she also released a collection in collaboration with Valdrin Sahiti which marked a step further into her fashion career.--Lorik17 (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::But what is the "Top Awards" list? Does it meet WP:GOODCHARTS or is it a non-notable listing? And the fashion collection has nothing to do with making the song notable, it's just a convenient publicity tie-in to the song's title. Richard3120 (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::Top Awards should be the most important music chart in Albania. It is a product of Top Channel, member of Top Media, the largest media company in Albania [http://topawards.top-channel.tv]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::::That does makes it sound like it fails WP:SINGLENETWORK, in which case it wouldn't be a valid chart. Richard3120 (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::::Albania is a country with some three million people so this is not surprising, and it actually passes WP:SINGLENETWORK on the grounds of these stipulations (per policy): {{tquote| Similarly, some charts representing the home country of the artist or composer... can be included if no other suitable charts can be located. }}--Calthinus (talk) 23:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete The sources are not reliable, and some are not the right sorts of coverage, per comments above, especially Richard3120.. OK, she has released songs. That is not adequate. Discogs is user-generated, Youtube and the other are inadequate. Too much hand-waving assertions that editors are sure the singer in very notable. Edison (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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