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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lianna Fowler

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Britain's Next Top Model. (Being bold here.) The consensus is to delete simply because she is not notable. Comparing her to other people is irrelvant to the discussion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Lianna Fowler]]=

:{{la|Lianna Fowler}} ([{{fullurl:Lianna Fowler|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lianna Fowler}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Only her notability in Britain's Next Top Model and failing orphaned. It was prodded less than five weeks ago [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lianna_Fowler&oldid=292327421]. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 08:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete. I always consider the phrase "Up and coming" as a strong indicator that they haven't arrived at notability yet. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. She did win a series of a what is a notable reality show. I am sure that it can be referenced. The winners of the other series all have articles. I agree about "up and coming" being a very bad sign. I have removed that. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

::Digression: I just put "up and coming" in the search box. It is a great way to find stuff that is either poorly written or just not notable. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: Eboni Stocks is also nominated for deletion, is less fewer notability than Fowler. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 14:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. This is a borderline WP:BLP1E. Only thing that saves it is that it's going to confuse readers if some winners have articles and others don't on a arbitrary basis on which articles happen to have been taken to AfD. I'd rather a decision was taken on articles as a whole, and reasonable outcomes could be: 1) There is enough coverage of winners for all winners to be presumed notable; 2) Winning doesn't confer enough notability in its own right but some of the winners became notable by other means (in which case the template needs to say "notable winners" instead of just winners; or 3) non of them are notable independently of the programme. Should we go for 2) or 3), merging all the winners into a single article would be a reasonable compromise. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC){{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lianna Fowler||}}

  • Delete. Britain's Next Top Model is not Big Brother or Britain's Got Talent, and does not gain as wide an audience. As a reality television show, it is broadcast on Living TV, which is significantly smaller than the likes of the BBC, ITV, or even Channel Five. Furthermore, the British version of the show is not as popular as its American equivalent. As such, while the show is notable - It's a television program, after all - The winner is not unless they have achieved notability elsewhere. Esteffect (talk) 02:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

:*Regarding other winners, Lauren McAvoy seems to have appeared on a variety of other shows after winning and so in my opinion rightfully has an article. Lianne did not achieve this - She won in 2006, not recently. Lucy Emily Ratcliffe and Alex Evans (model) - The other winners - Seem to be the same. My solution would be to delete the articles of Fowler, Ratcliffe and Evans and mention their careers in the main article, whilst keeping McAvoy's as is. Esteffect (talk) 02:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

::* Winning recently confers no more notability than winning several years ago, but I'll take your word on the rest of it. Merge into main article (or separate article for winners) along with the others except McAvoy. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

:::* My point about the fact she wasn't a recent winner is that she's had time to gain notability away from the show, and apparently hasn't done so. Esteffect (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment Abigail Clancy has been more notability than Fowler, although she didn't win the series, she had covers in FHM and appearing in several television series. The American and Australian counterparts are bigger notable than the British series, although it seen more in an internet forum sites. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 06:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable, single claim is a tv show that since she's been unable to gain any notability on her own. Fuzbaby (talk) 17:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.