Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Trutkoff Trumbauer

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Have searched in vain for better sources. Fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Edwardx (talk) 20:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, and Science fiction and fantasy. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• The article doesn`t cover WP:NCOPR and deserves to be removed - *Delete --Bigneeerman (talk) 06:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

::Hi @Bigneeerman. NCORP is not the correct notability criteria to look at. Like @CT55555 pointed out, NCORP is for organizations and companies. The correct criteria are GNG and AUTHOR, which @Edwardx already listed above. --Kbabej (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• Comments I don't understand the delete vote above, an author should not need to pass WP:NCORP as she is not an organisation or a company. I've improved the article, more than doubled it. That said, I could not find any significant coverage. I added some biographical information and one short book review. I guess children's books don't attract long reviews. I'm hoping others find more. It seems she has created a large body of work, non-independent review say over-200 books, but I did not find that stated in independent reliable sources. CT55555 (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. The sourcing just isn't there. The "Dog Days Reading" source is a one-sentence mention without a byline; the entire sentence is: "Fantasy fans who dig dragons can can enjoy the latest fun in A Practical Guide to Dragon Riding (Wizards/Mirrorstone $12.95)" That was the only hit on newspapers.com, and the rest of my searches couldn't find anything resembling sigcov. --Kbabej (talk) 23:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete Also I think delete is the unavoidable conclusion here. I searched for sources, added some in, but none are significant. I'll reverse my decision quickly if anyone can find significant sources, so please say if you do. CT55555 (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep and rename to Lisa Trumbauer. Seems very notable; [https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n93047006/ 33,713 library holdings] is a serious notability indicator. I found a detailed Cengage entry [https://www.encyclopedia.com/children/scholarly-magazines/trumbauer-lisa-trutkoff-1963] which in turn lists some "independent reviews". Not sure why we want to delete as many articles as possible. 65.92.160.108 (talk) 08:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

::Meets WP:NAUTHOR point 4 based on significant library holdings and some reviews given below:

::*Booklist, September 1, 2003, Carolyn Phelan, review of Why We Need Child Care Workers and Why We Need Construction Workers, p. 126.

::*School Library Journal, December, 1999, Kristina Aaronson, review of Click It! Computer Fun: Math, p. 129; February, 2000, Yapha Nussbaum Mason, review of Click It!: Computer Fun Halloween, p. 115; July, 2000, Yapha Nussbaum Mason, review of Cool Sites: Homework Help for Kids on the Net, p. 123; July, 2002, Eldon Younce, review of The Life Cycle of a Chicken, p. 112; June, 2003, John Peters, review of Exploring Animal Rights and Animal Welfare, p. 92. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.160.108 (talk) 08:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Strong Keep. Now I see that she is better known without her middle name, easy to argue to keep. Academic reviews of her more science based children's books follows. I wonder if she uses her middle name for the dungeons and dragons themed stuff and the shorter version for the more science stuff:

1. Mesires, Maria. Science and Children, vol. 45, no. 5, 2008, pp. 68–68. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/43174832. Accessed 19 Jul. 2022.
2. Reynolds, Ann. The American Biology Teacher, vol. 65, no. 8, 2003, pp. 637–637. JSTOR, https://doi.org/10.2307/4451579. Accessed 19 Jul. 2022.
3. Fredericks, Anthony. Science and Children, vol. 41, no. 1, 2003, pp. 65–65. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/43172076. Accessed 19 Jul. 2022. CT55555 (talk) 12:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep per findings by IP user 65.92.160.108 and per new input from CT55555. BOZ (talk) 14:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep due to reviews to meet WP:NAUTHOR as listed above. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep, per the arguments above. /Julle (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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