Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ABQ RIDE Transit routes

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WP:NOT the place to host a list of current busroutes, that's what the bus company web site is for. The routes aren't notable, the company is (and has an unchallenged article). Not everything that is verifiable belongs on Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 06:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• delete Another bus route directory, which WP:NOTDIR deprecates. Mangoe (talk) 13:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• Keep If this article is to be deleted, it should be noted that many, and I mean MANY other transit systems have lists similar to these. If the goal is to follow WP:NOTDIR policy, then the following articles (a short list) should be looked at for notability. Keep in mind that the size of the department or the size of the city DOES NOT constitute notability.
• List of Chicago Transit Authority bus routes
• Metro Local
• Metro Rapid
• Metro Express
• Sound Transit Express
• List of San Francisco Municipal Railway lines
• List of RTC Transit routes
• List of Denver RTD Bus Routes
• List of bus routes in the Bronx
• List of bus routes in Brooklyn
• List of bus routes in Manhattan
• List of bus routes in Queens
• List of bus routes in Staten Island
• List of express bus routes in New York City
• List of bus routes in London
• This is not by any means an exhaustive list

Furthermore, This article is in accordance with WP:BUSROUTE, which in and of itself a conflicting policy. This list does not list all bus stops, only major hubs in the city, or have less than 20 routes. Taking the WP:NOTDIR to the letter would involve getting rid of all such lists, as well as related maps (a visual directory of the route), associated stations (those not meeting notability standards). This argument is not necessarily in favor for discriminatory keeping of my article, but noting that there is a double standard with conflicting policies. ®amos 14:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• WP:WAX/WP:OTHERSTUFF, I might also point out that WP:BUSROUTE, while a useful guidance, is not a policy. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
• WP:BUSROUTE is an essay, not a policy. Just like Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Fram (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
• Understandable, I missed the infobox at the top of that essay. Nonetheless, there still seems to be a double standard about which transit agencies are allowed to have lists within the main article or as a separate article, and those which aren't. ®amos 17:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Delete: I think they should nominate the undesirable List of Chicago Transit Authority bus routes as well. I cleaned up Metro Local, Metro Rapid and Metro Express as well. Sound Transit Express should have their fleet info removed. The List of bus routes in London should be exempted for a while. Timothyhouse1 (talk) 01:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• Comment: There's nothing "undesirable" about the List of Chicago Transit Authority bus routes. Poorly structured, perhaps, but not undesirable. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 00:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
• general comment on bus route articles/lists A question that needs to be asked about all these articles is, "why write them?" From all I've seen here, the answer on these articles is invariably "to repeat information that is always going to be more complete, accurate, and up-to-date on the bus service's website." Since the purpose of an encyclopedia is to provide information, what is the point of providing perpetually inferior information? Mangoe (talk) 11:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• Reply If you're going to base it on this assumption, you might as well have no bus-related articles whatsoever. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 01:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

:::I disagree. It is certainly possible to write an article on a bus service which talks about its history and other information which isn't immediately and better provided from their website. Mangoe (talk) 17:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

• Further comment Again, the question is, if we are not going to keep transit lists, why are some transit systems, and I quote from above: "The List of bus routes in London should be exempted for a while.", being exempted. Because of London's transport history, a more accurate article could be something like "History of bus service in London" (or something to that effect), where notable routes that have importance outside the transit industry can be written. Just because people took the time to write an article on every bus route does not grant exemption (although I do applaud them for their work). And to state for the record again, I'm not in favor of keeping or deleting this article, but more interested in the consistency & special treatment of articles. ®amos 13:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTDIR - Anyone wanting this info should visit the operators website .... We're an encyclopedia not a travel guide. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 00:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTTRAVEL. Ditto for all the above if that is under discussion. Those very few routes that really are notable can have articles and be linked to operators' articles or organisations such as Transport for London. There are Wikia wikis where these type of lists can be maintained by those interested.--Charles (talk) 08:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• Merge to ABQ RIDE. Granted it will increase the size of that article, but not as severely as List of RTC Transit routes to RTC Transit. I'm not saying every bus system needs a separate bus route article, but it seems unfair to single out Metropolitan areas like Las Vegas and Albuquerque. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 22:07, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• Question If we're on the subject of WP:NOTDIR, what does that do for sections like this: Web_conferencing#Software_and_service_providers? It is essentially the same thing. Im just saying, the group effort here on Wikipedia is Information, standardization & consistency, and I'm all for it. If that means article has to go, then maybe its time to establish a task force for such issues as these. I'd be more than willing to contribute my time for this. ®amos 22:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• Delete: per WP:NOTDIR again. Soon we will nominate List of bus routes in Malta, List of bus routes in Lahore, List of bus routes in Managua, List of bus routes in Taichung, List of bus routes in Taiwan, and some more. Bear in mind that there are so many bus route articles in United States that needs to nominate other than the preceding two. Timothyhouse1 (talk) 14:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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