Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Big Bash League wooden spoons

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Unnecessary list article, to say simple we really don't need this per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:NOTDATABASE. No demonstrable significance from reliable sources, that this type of list really needs to exist. We don't have separate articles for the teams acquiring last position of other franchise leagues. — A.A Prinon  ^{Leave a dialogue} 06:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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The "shaming" of Wooden spoon 'winners' is an integral part of Australian sport and this article fits within the series of Wooden spoon articles on the topic. If it's appropriate, the list can be modified to include other areas of Australian cricket culture (say the Sheffield Shield) where this is also tallied. Storm machine (talk) 07:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete yes some sources use the term wooden spoon, but no evidence this list passes WP:GNG. Convert the useful information from sources into the articles about the teams. I'm aware there are similar articles for some other sports, but they are all sourced to not many sources, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

:* Changing my vote to merge into Big Bash League#Tournament season and results, as well as adding some of the sourced text content to Wooden spoon (award)#Big Bash League (cricket), both of which could benefit from a paragraph or two of text about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge to an appropriate article on the Big Bash if it can't be sourced, wooden spoons are indeed suitable for an encyclopaedia if not a stand-alone article (at least in Australia if not elsewhere.) SportingFlyer T·C 08:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
• Merge any sourced content to Big Bash League#Tournament season and results where it can be easily added. Note to the nominator - WP:LISTCRUFT is not Wikipedia policy, it's someone's essay, so it shouldn't be cited as a reason for deletion. Deus et lex (talk) 10:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - this doesn't warrant a standalone article and allowing it to remain as a redirect will encourage its re-creation. Feel free, if you must, to have a very short section on this non-notable thing somewhere else, but it strikes me as dubious at best and actually rather distasteful at worst. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Blue Square Thing}} do you find the Lanterne rouge also distasteful? The wooden spoon is traditional in Australian sport. List articles already exist for Australian rules football and rugby league, this list extends that tradition to our newest mass-market sporting league. Storm machine (talk) 12:36, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

::The Lanterne Rouge is an achievement though. You have to survive within a set time percentage everything that the Tour throws at you and get to the end. And the article is about the term and the idea rather than specifically about a list of teams that were worst in their rather small league. That's not an achievement. The article we have on wooden spoon is the closer comparison to Lanterne rouge. Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Media reports from every season has the wooden spoon race as the thing to avoid, with coaches getting the axe should their team finish last. I’ll source some more info for the summary, but I strongly feel like this article, as well as others regarding Australian sports wooden spoon lists are valid and should be maintained. Sooner or later the table of BBL champions will be its own article, merging this list into that part of Big Bash League#Tournament season and results seems short-sighted. Storm machine (talk) 12:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Storm machine}} no evidence that it passes WP:GNG and needs a separate list article. Would though agree to merge into an appropriate article per above comments, but Blue Square's comment also seems plausible. — A.A Prinon  ^{Leave a dialogue} 12:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• Wooden spoon mentions include [https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/big-bash-league-2018-19-1152510/adelaide-strikers-vs-perth-scorchers-54th-match-1152564/match-report] [https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/melbourne-stars-take-big-bash-league-wooden-spoon-as-sydney-sixers-make-run-chase-look-all-too-easy-20180123-h0n7ch.html] [https://www.sportsnews.com.au/other/featured/melbourne-renegades-vs-hobart-hurricanes-tips-odds-and-teams-big-bash-league-2020/511645] - just dumped in the first three sources that worked (Adelaide's website is pay-blocked), but the concept's definitely notable enough for a list. I could not find a list anywhere specifically though in 30 seconds of trying. SportingFlyer T·C 12:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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