Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Filipino inventions and discoveries

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There are a lot of items on here that seem to be very misplaced, misguided, and non-educational.

The first thing that hits you as off about this article is all of the "disputed" content of all the foreigners "stealing" inventions or discoveries from Filipinos who "really created them". If it is globally accepted as a fact that someone else is the credit for something, wikipedia is not the place to play conspiracy theory.

Secondly, it appears that about 90% of the persons and topics in this article have no citations or related wikipedia links. The links that do exist in this article, give credit to someone else by a different name that is not Filipino. Clearly demonstrating a lack in the quality and validity of this content.

In the intro it says a Filipino invention includes people "descended from the Philippines". One cannot be descended from a country.

Barong Tagalog. You cannot "invent" a shirt. Besides this, it is from Mexico.

Baybayin and Tagalog. You cannot invent a language or writing system. These develop over many years as a natural phenomenon.

Modular building was first developed by Sears, Roebuck and Company in 1895. Edgardo Vasquez was not on the payroll.

"Julian Banzon researched methods of producing alternative fuels."- Not the only person to do that. Also research is not an invention.

"Doctor Benjamin Cabrera has developed innovations in drug treatments against diseases caused by mosquitoes and agricultural soil."- Like what?

"Amador Muriel is a mathematician was known due to his significant works and contributions to theoretical physics. He has made new kinetic equation which is essential for discovering problems on a statistical method that is non-equilibrium."-Can't we really do better than this? The English is so bad it is barely intelligible.

Gregorio Y. Zara did not create the video phone. It was John Logie Baird. As stated in the link.

I'm sure Filipinos did not invent pottery, clothing, spears, swords, nor the computer chip.

Karaoke IS Japanese. Invented by Daisuke Inoue.

The yo-yo is from Greece.

Raymundo Favila did not "invent math" in 1979. Math has been around hundreds of years. It's unlikely that he discovered math for the first time and taught it to Filipinos. Are we to believe prior to 1979, Filipinos has no concept of numbers and equations? On top of that, even if was the first Filipino to learn how to count, he would have learned mathematics from abroad. That is not "discovering" mathematics.

You also cannot "discover" a "food technique". What does that even mean?

Diosdado Banatao created a computer chip that makes computers "a lot faster" and a "little bit faster" this sounds very un-scientific.

Games are not a "discovery" nor an "invention". Neither are sports.

I could go on. However, I'm too tired to do an exhaustive debunking at the present. It is clear this article is entirely, or almost entirely fictional. As there is virtually no real information in this article that is salvageable, I move the article be removed speedily. Cheers Presidentbalut (talk) 13:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. I've cut and pasted this from the daily AFD log, where it was mistakenly posted directly; I also added an AFD tag to the article, which was apparently not done. {{ping|Presidentbalut}}, please take note and watchlist this particular page to follow the discussion. postdlf (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• keep, but prune. Even if this is reduced to an empty statement, "There are no Filipino inventions whose origin can be sourced to the standards, WP:V and WP:RS, of Wikipedia." We have "List of inventions" articles for many other countries, so excluding the Philippines would seem like no more than petty nationalism.

: These categories and lists do have sourcing problems though and are targets for COI, spam and edit-warring (see {{user|EuropeFan}}); entries in the list must be sourced, but that's no reason to delete the list. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep but needs a lot of pruning and editing: many of the entries are scientists and inventors, not inventions/discoveries. It should be rewritten to emphasise the actual invention or discovery, and anything which isn't an invention/discovery should be removed. The deletion proposal is full of tendentious claims, nitpicking, and nonsense, and lacks clear per-policy grounds for deletion: having some bad content is not grounds for deletion, and being prone to vandalism or argument isn't grounds for deletion.

:Individual topics should be debated on the talk page not here but I'd suggest. Writing systems if novel are reasonable to include, but languages probably not except for conlangs. Food is a grey area, particularly things which are eaten elsewhere but are particularly associated with the Philippines. Scientific inventions and discoveries, innovations in business, social science, politics, etc, are fine. It's also reasonable to include inventions by people who lived abroad but considered themselves Filipino as long as this is noted. Controversial or disputed inventions can be included but the dispute should be mentioned. Minor modifications of foreign products shouldn't be mentioned. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep but clean up extensively per above - see WP:NOTCLEANUP. Ansh666 01:28, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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