Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Islamic schools in Victoria

:{{la|List of Islamic schools in Victoria}} ([{{fullurl:List of Islamic schools in Victoria|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Islamic schools in Victoria}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

List of schools, not an encyclopedic topic and never will be. Failed speedy, but can't see any reason this should be here. Similar list for NSW should also go, rather than being used as a reason for inclusion Dmol (talk) 08:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

::P.S. (Added clarification due to next users comments} More reasons to delete are listed at "What Wikipedia is not", specifically Wikipedia is not a directory, and "Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages".--Dmol (talk) 09:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - You do not state a policy reason other than your opinion. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Education makes is clear that "deletion" is not so in order as you claim. Lists are a different animal, subjected to a different criteria than articles, in assessment and AfDs. I am not sure there are enough Islamic schools in Australia to warrant separate lists per province/state, but merge is a different process, hence my weak keep, as I am open to a merger propossal. The information itself is certainly well within the scope of an encyclopedia such as this.--Cerejota (talk) 09:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Cerejota (talk) 09:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- Cerejota (talk) 09:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. -- Cerejota (talk) 09:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Cerejota (talk) 09:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - seems pretty straightforward to me (verifiable, and certainly a useful form of classification), though if there are only half a dozen or so such schools in Victoria it might be more appropriate to merge to an australia-wide list.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Per WP:NOT#DIR - most of these schools are probably small, and there's no particular need to have a list of them. We wouldn't accept a List of government schools in Victoria on the grounds of WP:NOT#DIR despite there being hundreds (thousands?) of them, so I see no reason to keep an even smaller list of schools. Nick-D (talk) 09:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to List of schools in Victoria#Islamic per the others - I'm surprised that this list exists, but merging to it is clearly the best option here. Nick-D (talk) 07:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. The list more appropriately belongs in the inclusive article List of schools in Victoria#Independent Schools, perhaps as a further sub-category. WWGB (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to List of schools in Victoria#Independent Schools, seems a logical place for it to live. StarM 13:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Mixed opinions, but mostly Weak keep, Strong Merge, and Comment.
  * Comment first. AfD appears to me to have become a re-arguing of discussion about the schools in in the list, instead of a discussion about the list itself:
  

: (1) "List of schools, not an encyclopedic topic and never will be."

: (2) "Per WP:NOT#DIR - most of these schools are probably small, and there's no particular need to have a list of them."
With greatest respect to you User:Dmol, the bolded text in (1) I would argue is a Crystal Ball comment.
Again with greatest respect to you User:Nick-D, you make a cogent point in in (2) that there is no List of government schools in Victoria. I would argue that this is misapplication of Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. There are many uncontroversial denominational school lists such as List of Jewish schools in Toronto, List of Catholic schools in New York, List of schools in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and other such other lists
* Weak keep - as per User:Cerejota and User:Yeti Hunter.
* Strong merge to List of schools in Victoria#Islamic in List of schools in Victoria and/or other Victorian edu lists

:--Shirt58 (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Keep it is appropriate to have more specific lists than the general list of schools, but I am not sure there are enough of them. I think they areall secondary schools, and therefore they could almost certainly each of them be represented by an article. DGG (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to List of schools in Victoria#Islamic per others. I see no reason why no reason why Islamic schools need their own list, but catholics ones don't, especially when the Catholic schools outnumber Islamic ones substantially. Grandmartin11 (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - useful list. No objection to a merge but that is for post-AfD discussion. TerriersFan (talk) 18:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to List of schools in Victoria#Independent Schools. I don't see the contents requiring a standalone article. Pastor Theo (talk) 23:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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