Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vectrex games

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No sourcing, no content. Completely unreferenced for over two years. The majority of the entries here are either unlinked or redlinked and there is practically no additional content. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. ({{find video game sources short|List of Vectrex games|linksearch=}}) • Gene93k (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - The article currently has one reference as of this post. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
• Keep, the nom notes only cleanup issues. Obviously which games were released on the Vectrex platform is verifiable, and standard practice for notable game platforms is to make the list comprehensive (see, e.g., List of Atari 2600 games), so it will include many that merit articles and many that don't. Even if you're of the opinion that such a list should only include notable entries, the solution to that is to remove the non-notable ones, not to delete the whole list. The Atari list I linked to also indicates how any such game list can be annotated: with columns for the game's designer, genre, year of release, and additional notes. So the complaint that there is "no content" (to the extent that is even relevant for a list) is in error because it at best only describes the list's current state, rather than it's potential. postdlf (talk) 19:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

:: If you wish to expand the list, then please do so. However as it is now, there's nothing there, and nothing to preserve. List of Playstation 4 games will be an excellent article too, once someone has written it. In the meantime though, we have to deal with things how they are now, not how we'd like them to be. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

:::We deal with how things are now by fixing them when the problems are fixable. WP:PRESERVE, WP:BEFORE, WP:NOEFFORT, etc., etc. Regardless, the reference currently in the list can source far more than the one item it's been cited for; it has a whole chapter on Vectrex.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Vectrex_games&diff=474274190&oldid=474152153] Did you even look anywhere before nominating this? postdlf (talk) 20:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - Per improvements to the article, improved sourcing, by user:Postdlf. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - I understand the nominator's feelings, as this list was looking pretty rough as of nomination, and honestly, I believe the whole "homebrew" section should probably be deleted outright, as none of that are official games, but the sources are there, and if we're okay with all of the List of Nintendo 3DS games-type articles (and we are, there's a "list of"- type article for most systems out there, and I've been in AFD's for them before, and they end up being a "Keep"), then this should be kept as well. Sergecross73 msg me 21:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
• There was actually an appendix in the Weiss book cited in the list about homebrew games, which listed some made for the Vectrex and said there are plenty of online sources about them. So I wouldn't delete that section wholesale, I think it merits some more research. postdlf (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks to Postdlf for adding the source. The original era games of 30 years ago were never really the problem though - Minestorm and Tank Battle were very well known in their time. The trouble still, and this is still unsourced, is that most of this article is a list of games from long after the Vectrex was a museum- and eBay-piece. Do any of these games exist, and exist for the Vectrex? Were there really so many coders working to write or port games for what was by 2000 a no-longer interesting vector display, once there was enough raw processor available to do it all with shaded 3D, let alone bitmaps? If this article is kept (as now seems likely) it should still be reduced to about a third of its current size. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:05, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
• Keep – Valid list of games for a major video game console. Just because something is unsourced doesn't mean it's "unsourceable", as the improvements have demonstrated. --MuZemike 00:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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