Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cyclists

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Wikipedia:Listcruft is not policy, it's an essay and as such, !votes based on it are not very strong. The keep-!votes cite a style guideline on the other hand but fail to address the delete-!votes concerns. As such, there is no consensus for deletion but that cleanup and work on the article are maybe needed. Regards So Why 11:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[List of cyclists]]=

:{{la|List of cyclists}} ([{{fullurl:List of cyclists|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cyclists}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

The article is just what the title suggests: a list of cyclists, without source or reason for inclusion. If the article wants to become a better article, some criteria should be found, but then the new article would be something like "list of cyclists who won a grand tour" or "list of cyclists who became world champion". Anyway, this article should be deleted. EdgeNavidad (talk) 13:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete as unsourced listcruft. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 16:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete as pure listcruft--no rationale or criterion given for what constitutes a "cyclist" worthy of inclusion in this list. I checked quickly: my friend Oliver is not on it, so "Dutch red-haired cyclists" are apparently not included. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete. WP:LISTCRUFT. There could be several million people on this list, there is no apparent inclusion criteria. Tavix | Talk 19:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep. The above arguments to delete ignore our stand-alone list guideline which gives an implied inclusion criterion for any list of people—they must be notable, and in this case specifically notable for being cyclists (thus we also don't include, e.g., any actor who happens to like riding a bicycle). Naming conventions say we don't include "notable" in the name of a list of people; so a "List of cyclists" is a "List of notable cyclists", properly excluding your friend Oliver (unless he's notable) as well as "several million people". DHowell (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep – Inclusion criteria can be surmised from Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Weak delete Either rename to specify the "professional" cyclists, or delete. Even though theoretically this should be known to be "notable cyclists", you know that millions of IP editors are just waiting to add them and their Schwinn to a list like this (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.