Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of non-pornographic films featuring nudity

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Where to start. I guess we could go with WP:NOT#INFO, except that most of this doesn't make it as far as being information, since it's merely opinion. The degree of detail is absurd in many cases, plus of course there is no objective definition of "featuring". Whereas nudity in mainstream films may once have been unusual it is now commonplace. One might as well have list of non-millinery films featuring hats. But to be honest the main problem is that this is really a list of films to wank to if you are too young or too embarrassed to rent proper porn and haven't yet found the internet. If kept, can we nominate this article for the bad sex awards? Guy (Help!) 21:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete This will be too large to maintain, but JzG said it the best. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Agreed - delete. DS (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Indiscriminate information, hard to source/verify, no clear source for "featuring". As the length of the list shows, nudity in films is pretty commonplace now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

:* Agreed, but In one explicit sequence, she lies on a bed and masturbates her hirsute labial folds to orgasm while reciting (Molly Bloom's famous erotic soliloquy from Ulysses). She strokes and penetrates her labia majora with her fingers. Flanagan urinates into chamber pot with her pubis exposed is kind of special, don't you think? Guy (Help!) 21:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

::*(e/c) I saved this whole "special" list to my hard drive. No, really. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia is not Mr. Skin. Probably a good list, but not for this venue. Nate • (chatter) 21:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Wow, where to start... It can never be comprehensive, it has ill defined criteria, it is basically a how-to guide for finding the genital/age group you desire your nudity in... this is so far from an encyclopedic article it should not be here. _(1 == 2)^Until 22:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per all above. Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete impossible to maintain and very incomplete. No encyclopedic value worth affecting Mr.Skin's bottom line. Horrorshowj (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Can we put a check box behind each film so I can keep track of what I've missed? ... please? Delete and put some clothes on, for pete's sake... Tony Fox (arf!) 22:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Way too broad a criteria. There are literally thousands of films that contain nudity in them to some degree, and that's another problem as it requires an NPOV-violating judgement call on that. Is the view of a woman's bare back considered nudity? A fleeting glimpse of a butt? In some countries the exposure of a female face on film constitutes nudity. Forget it - unmaintainable. 23skidoo (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Hang on! I haven't made a note of them all yet....... There, that's done. Now then - Delete! SilkTork *^YES! 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as its missing the timestamps in the movies so I can fast-forward. Mr.Z-man 23:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Restrict to cases of nudity of a degree that is not commonplace.--Patrick (talk) 00:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• And that will be a hard line to define. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Get Deleted, come on baby make it hot. JuJube (talk) 04:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as discriminate and verifiable list. Also, the article is only a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_non-pornographic_films_featuring_nudity&oldid=193970484 month] old. As Wikipedia:There is no deadline, we should Wikipedia:Give an article a chance. The topic even seems to have been the subject of [http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Skins-Skintastic-Video-Guide/dp/097936910X/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206597535&sr=1-12 published] sources. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 05:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

:*With what criteria? Any film that isn't porn with nudity? That must be over 10,000 films, the page can only hold 2 megs. _(1 == 2)^Until 05:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

::*It can always be broken down into multiple articles or converted into a category. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 06:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

:*So something like List of non-pornographic films featuring nudity (A through C) or List of non-pornographic films featuring nudity (Breasts through Buttox)? _(1 == 2)^Until 06:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete clearly unencyclopedic, and not even useful as lots of other websites have this content and screenshots. Or so I'm told. --Nick Dowling (talk) 06:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Wow... Her full-frontal nudity is frankly presented with particular emphasis on her lean, waifish upper torso, curvaceous mesomorphic hips and thick, dark pubic and underarm hair. While doubtless a valuable resource for teenagers whose mothers have installed web filters, it's about as unencyclopaedic as it gets. WP:NOT#DIR probably covers it, but maybe we need to add WP:NOT#MRSKIN to make sure. Plus the fair use policy wouldn't allow screenshots, which is what we really want in an article like this. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 08:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: To be fair, I think the article's salacious description of the nudity in the film version of 1984, which you quote above, is simply an attempt to reinforce one of Orwell's themes in the novel: that the free expression of sexuality is fundamentally at odds with totalitarianism. Not to mention with web filters. :) MastCell ^Talk 19:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Would the article's definition cover: scenes of childbirth (that baby hasn't got any clothes on!) or cadaveric preparation or Adam and Eve or non-porn films about porn or strategicallly arranged jewelry/fans/boas/hands/blah or animation/GGI or man/machine hybrids (like a travelling Terminator or Robocop and a can of WD40)? See where this is going? Someone has too much time in on their hands. Plutonium27 (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Even with massive cleanup and strict enforcement of WP:V, this is an ever-growing, unbounded list based upon two terms lacking strict enough definition to avoid original research. As mentioned above, the definition of nudity varies by culture and time period. How much skin is needed to qualify? Do only certain parts apply? What about poses and camera angles designed to conceal different regions? As for pornography, do we use the Miller test, the Hicklin test, or Potter Stewart's "I know it when I see it"? --Allen3 ^talk 16:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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