Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of plot twists

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Fails WP: Not and WP: Notability; it's just a list of trivia. Even with some substantial edits, I don't see this page having the potential to be an article appropriate for Wikipedia. Epass (talk) 01:28, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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• Strong delete: An absurd collation of spite. Someone wanted to put every spoiler possible in one place. 1) It's not a list of plot twists. 2) It isn't a list of all plot twists in any medium, much less all media. 3) It's random. 4) It's POV. It's simply childish. ("She's my daughter. My sister! My daughter! My sister!") Hithladaeus (talk) 01:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Amplification: I just want to explain a bit. Plot is a specific thing in fiction. It is the connection of actions -- imagine a diagram of action points, and that's the plot. Almost everything on this list was not a "twist," but a reversal or reveal. Plot twists include things like Humphry Clinker being the son of Matt. Bramble, even though it's comic and doesn't reverse the novel. A twist includes Squire Allworthy's daughter having a son (Tom Jones). The sloppiness of the framing bothered me because it showed the actual intent of the list, in my view: "list joy for spoilers." Hithladaeus (talk) 14:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. While I like the idea of a list like this it also has a lot of issues. One of the first issues is that this would be forever incomplete and even if there were teams of dedicated people on the page it would still be incomplete. The second issue is that this has the potential to very, very easily become extremely unwieldy. As it is now I can easily point out that this list only contains plot twists for specific English language creations and even then only for very specific types. If we were to count in the films, books, games, TV shows, radio broadcasts, and so on, this list could easily contain hundreds upon thousands of entries. Now that's not even taking into consideration what the minimum criteria for inclusion would be and how subjective the list could become. Really all the list would need is 1-2 reviews that called a twist surprising/shocking in order for something to be included. Not only would the bar for this be considered pretty low, but you also have to figure that inclusion of the list would be highly dependent upon what one person considers to be a surprising plot twist. I'm sure that there could be some consensus with certain plot twists (like the reveal in the film Psycho), but ultimately inclusion in this list would just be a little too indiscriminate and it'd always be an eternally incomplete, exhausting list. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Any meaningful content can be included into Plot twist (without the need of simply starting a list within that article. And no mention of the greatest plot-twist in TV? Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Examples such as those of Remember Me while cutting out other memorable things like The Crying Game and a bunch of other movies seem just disparate and unfocused. Almost every work of media has a plot twist and having them all in one article seems something more appropriate for TVTropes than here. Nate • (chatter) 09:55, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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• {{u|Epass}}, {{u|Hithladaeus}}, {{u|Tokyogirl79}}, {{u|Lugnuts}}, and {{u|Mrschimpf}}, note that this AFD has been moved as it was not the 2nd nomination under this title. Please adjust your watchlist accordingly. postdlf (talk) 13:12, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. Seems like listcruft. --Anarchyte 22:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Spiteful / silly/ list for list's sake and can quickly grow unwieldy. Stands to reason that plot twists would find their way into the articles about the works themselves anyway. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 02:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
• Delete ThurstonHowell3rd (talk) 06:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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